"Arch-meyj" vs. "Arkh-meyj"

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:22 am

One thing I thought of while reading the discussion was the pronunciation of the 'ch' in various languages (because I'm a linguistics nerd, particularly with Old English and Insular Celtic). I found a link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arch that I found interesting; it implies that, while the prefix 'arch-' comes from Latin, in Old and Middle English it was pronounced as a hard 'c' (much like the Scots Gaelic 'loch', as someone mentioned earlier). Old English was a Germanic language, spoken in an area surrounded by Brythonic- and Goidelic Celtic-speaking people, so it is entirely possible that the hard ch comes from one of those directions.This obviously has no real bearing on the pronunciation of a Modern English word, since Old English is nearly unrecognizable to a modern speaker; it certainly has no bearing on regional dialects. But I found it an interesting idea nonetheless.
And in Ancient Latin and Greek, the "C" always had a hard sound, like a "K". For example Caesar was not pronounced See-sar, but Kai-sar (and is the origin of the the German title Kaiser). Celtic is pronounced Keltik, not Seltik. So there too, the even older pronunciation would have been ark, not arch.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:40 pm

According to Merriam Webster, the first syllable in archetype, architect and archaeology is "ar" not "arch." This leaves archangel as the only exception
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:19 pm

And in Ancient Latin and Greek, the "C" always had a hard sound, like a "K". For example Caesar was not pronounced See-sar, but Kai-sar (and is the origin of the the German title Kaiser). Celtic is pronounced Keltik, not Seltik. So there too, the even older pronunciation would have been ark, not arch.

Try telling that to the football fans http://www.celticfc.net/mainindex. Or the singer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXk0Fg5X8Mk. LOLness! :wink: The thread seems to be winding down some, so I'm just having a bit fun there.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:35 am

It's tomato sauce not ketchup I tell yah.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:33 am

Doesn't matter how you pronounce a word as long as the pronounciation isn't detracting from peoples' ability to understand the meaning.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:31 pm

It's tomato sauce not ketchup I tell yah.

Nah! It's http://www.tomatocatsup.com/ - made from real cats! This is, of course, a joke and meant to be taken as such not seriously or to offend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4!
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:02 pm

And in Ancient Latin and Greek, the "C" always had a hard sound, like a "K". For example Caesar was not pronounced See-sar, but Kai-sar (and is the origin of the the German title Kaiser). Celtic is pronounced Keltik, not Seltik. So there too, the even older pronunciation would have been ark, not arch.

Actually, Keltic and Seltic, Gale-ick and Gal-ik and for that matter See-sar and Kai-sar have differing pronunciations depending on where and when you live. In the case of Latin, nobody actually knows how the Romans pronounced it, we only know how it (Latin) was pronounced in the middle ages (and they didn't agree) and similar conditions apply to the first two words. Since the Irish tribe that modern Scots are derived from didn't leave recording of their voices, the modern Scots pronunciations of words has changed to fit the sounds of the native language.
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