are deadra really evil

Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:43 pm

Not all deadra princes are evil , right?
playing the TES games and reading the lore i am wondering why all the deadra princes are considered evil

Obvious some of them aren't
meridia is more lawful neutral with good tendecies while Azura seems to be fully neutral and there plenty of others who are not evil perse

So what makes or how did they end in the all 'Deadra are evil 'camp
really some of the 9 divines are just as bad as hese deadra princes
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A Lo RIkIton'ton
 
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:26 am

They're not evil, just different. Daedra are gods and think different than mortals, it's kind of like a bear and an ant colony. The bear might step on some ants and doesn't even notice it.

Mortal morals just doesn't apply to gods, which is why even Molag Bal, the prince of [censored], isn't really evil. It's just the point of view of mortals makes the Daedra seem like a bunch of [censored].
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Guinevere Wood
 
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:56 am

None of them are really 'evil', just misunderstood.
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Jah Allen
 
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:58 am

No, Meridia and Azura I wouldn't call evil. A couple others are borderline neutral, it seems. Most are quite bad, though.
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Tasha Clifford
 
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:41 pm

Each Daedric Prince is an aspect of mortals, destruction, lies, knowledge etc. So they are not evil, is someone evil if they can only be the the aspect of destruction? They are forced to destroy and are unable to do anything else? That's not evil, that's being unable to help yourself. So no, the Daedric Princes are not evil, they are different.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:17 am

They're not evil, just different. Daedra are gods and think different than mortals, it's kind of like a bear and an ant colony. The bear might step on some ants and doesn't even notice it.
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Animals can′t to evil things, because they are not bind to a process of moral decision making.The daedra are more human than humans are mindless animals.Daedra have a CHOICE what action they perform and can evaluate what the consequence of this choice may look like.Last time I checked, Daedra were fully capable of thinking, therefor they have a choice.On the other hand, if all Daedra were psychopaths, then they are ofcourse morally not responsible for their doings.So the question is: Are Deadra per se psychopatic in nature and can′t change that, even if they wanted to?Clearly not, said examples of Azura and Meridia (especially Azura) clearly show that Daedra can be empathic.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:47 pm

None of them is evil. Nor good either.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:42 am



Animals can′t to evil things, because they are not bind to a process of moral decision making.The daedra are more human than humans are mindless animals.Daedra have a CHOICE what action they perform and can evaluate what the consequence of this choice may look like.Last time I checked, Daedra were fully capable of thinking, therefor they have a choice.On the other hand, if all Daedra were psychopaths, then they are ofcourse morally not responsible for their doings.So the question is: Are Deadra per se psychopatic in nature and can′t change that, even if they wanted to?Clearly not, said examples of Azura and Meridia (especially Azura) clearly show that Daedra can be empathic.

Daedra Princes are planets, we only "speak" to some kind of avatar and it's not clear if we just interpret the "signs" of those planets as some kind of language with a thought process behind it. And if it is, is it immoral for a planet to play with mortals?
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:11 am

None of them is really good but all are goes to their own goals and care not much for mortals other than those helping them. Meridia and Azura are the once I would maybe trust to help but the other ones may as well betray me. For I am but an ant in their eyes.

The Aedra (divines) are all good in their own ways. None of them would at least hurt mortals if it could be helped.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:18 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/spirit-daedra

Is a wolf evil for eating the lamb? Killing is in its nature, there's no morality here.

Daedra didn't participate in creation of Mundus and this is what separates them from Aedra. They're not inherently evil, just like Aedra aren't necessarily good. They're what they are - Mehrunes Dagon's sphere is destruction, but also revolution and change. Sheogorath's is madness, but also creativity as opposed to Jyggalag's order. Meridia hates the undead. Are they good? Are they evil? It's all relative.

Everyony brings up Azura as an example of a "good" daedra, but they're forgetting that she's the one who cursed the entire Chimer race turning their skin ashen, their eyes red - all for the crimes of just three people.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:27 am

Daedra Princes are planets, />

And bears arent humans.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:43 am

The Aedra (divines) are all good in their own ways. None of them would at least hurt mortals if it could be helped.
They don't really have a choice though, except for Talos who isn't really an Aedra.

And bears arent humans.
So? Planets aren't humans as well. Technically there are no humans on Mundus at all, men and mer in TES are different from real life humans.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:38 am

No Daedric Prince is evil, and none of them are good.
They are gods and they are beyond these kind of mortal qualifications.
They are too big for that.
What is evil for one person may be good for another and you could hardly call a natural disaster like a tsunami evil.
It is the same thing for the Daedra. The fundamental property they embody might be used for good or evil, but that doesnt make them that themselves.
Just the same as the knowledge on how to split an atom can be used for good, to generate power and make peoples lives better, or for evil, to make great big bombs.
Its not what they are that is good or evil, it is only how they are applied by mortals that can give them this.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:54 am

Daedra are having fun, don't care much for mortals, are immortal in game, have their own champions if they wish, exactly like players. So, you all are evil Daedra! :smile:
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:52 am

I don't think the Daedra are evil. Not that good and not that bad.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:34 am

Good?.. Evil? Relative terms. Wouldn't they be classed as Daemons if they were truly evil? :devil:
I honestly don't know, but their quests are pretty damned good! :biggrin:
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:11 am

They are all anti-heroes in their own way. Azura being the most unique in that she seems to care about the human realm a bit more and hell she's idolized by the Dumner and most of Tamriel so much that in just about every TES game, there is a large statue of her(I love the Skyrim version..).
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:22 am

I tend to consider them a range of what would be considered chaotic by most standards.

Chaotic Good (Azura, Merida *possibly only a Daedra because she fits no where else*), Chaotic Neutral (Sheogorath, can help or hinder, but whatever happens it'll be for his own amusemant.), and of course Chaotic Evil (Boethia, Molag Ball, Mehrunes' Dagon)
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:51 am

They are all anti-heroes in their own way. Azura being the most unique in that she seems to care about the human realm a bit more and hell she's idolized by the Dumner and most of Tamriel so much that in just about every TES game, there is a large statue of her(I love the Skyrim version..).

Personally, I consider Azura to be one of the more evil ones.
At least Dagon doesnt pretend to be good.
Azura is in my mind petty, vainglorious and spiteful. She did everything she could to prevent her place in the Dunmer pantheon being taken by AlmSiVi, cursed an entire race for the actions of a handful. A place she as a Daedra has no claim to anyway, she is not an ancestor more of a nosy neighbour.
She then created a phrophesy she gave every effort to make sure came to pass, making dozens mad with Nerevarine dreams and driving them to their ultimate deaths. Eventually she got her petty little revenge and the Triune was broken.
When Baar Dau fell she only warned those faithful to her and let the rest of Morrowind to its faith.

And what is with that star of hers?
What use would it be to her that it constantly gets filled with and emptied of souls? Could it function like water on a prayer wheel, giving her power? There is something she is not telling us there.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:31 am

Sheogorath isn't evil, he's just mad. You meet people like him in RL. They're not evil; misunderstood maybe. Evil is a term used by those who don't follow the deadra's ideas ;)
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:43 pm

None of them is evil. Nor good either.
Molag Bal? If he isnt evil, then i don't know what is.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:54 pm

Daedras have different standards, I say we can all leave it at that.

Also, I personally think it's Tribunal's fault for challenging Azura directly, even going as far as "we don't need you no more". Nerevar warned them, they broke their promise, and frankly they kind of had it coming.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:44 am

Daedras have different standards, I say we can all leave it at that.

Also, I personally think it's Tribunal's fault for challenging Azura directly, even going as far as "we don't need you no more". Nerevar warned them, they broke their promise, and frankly they kind of had it coming.

They did break their promise but they did it with the honest intention of doing right by their people.
Azura was upset she became an anticipation before her time, it always would have happened but AlmSiVi forced the issue.
Azura had no claim on the Dunmer. She is a Daedra and chose not to participate in Creation, she chose to sit at the sidelines and later she chose to meddle.
The Triune have a more valid claim to their people as at least they are family.
Azura had her time in the sun and should have been content with that, given that she had no real right to it in the first place.

While I think you cant categorise any Daedra (or god for that matter) as evil or good, to me Azura is one of the more malevolent ones.
Meridia is also vainglorious, but at least she is up front about it and about the nature of the deals she makes.
Azura is a bit more seeming one thing while being another to me.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:18 am

Well they all are incarnation of Padomay and that whole Daedra are evil and Aedra are good argument defines the very altmer-chimer religious conflict. Aedra in their way, indifferent and dormant most of the time. They really don't help or change a thing for better or worse. It's Daedra that creates the "good" directly(Like Azura or Meridia) or as a reaction(like the case of The House of Troubles).

Calling Daedra evil is like branding mutation or radioactive decay as evil. The way they are might be considered malignant at first look but they are the effect that is the start of everything including "good". Them being aware of it or not is whole another controversy.

They are chaotic neutral if you really need to brand them with an aligment.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:03 am

I'm big on Daedra worship.

Molag Bal for life.
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