Artifact Discussion [merged similar threads]

Post » Fri May 18, 2012 9:16 am

They should definitely just leave them out.. you can't make an artifact work if TWO people have it, let alone thousands.

I'd rather have a super beefed up enchanted ebony or heck even STEEL sword than a daedric weapon or artifact if every other lvl *max* player has one. Thousands of daedric weapons? Must have disappeared by the third era? I don't think so, Tim..
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 3:17 am

Artifacts should appear. I think they should just be in the possession of Unique NPCs you cannot kill or they are missing. There should be a few of them but not all of them. That way they are represented but not causing problems. Maybe because Molag Bal is pulling Tamriel into Cold Harbour the other Daedric Princes have decided to keep their favored weapons to themselves. As for the other artifacts? Certain NPCs possess them. Maybe the leader of certain factions can wield the artifacts. Like the Fighters guild allowing the use of the Lord's Mail or something.

I just see no way the artifacts can be presented unless they are simply timed gifts. Which means no matter what only a limited amount of people can ever use them or even see them.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 2:38 am

Umbra is a very good example, especially considering it is indeed, a cursed weapon with a brutal, bloody history. Wielding Umbra should increase your offensive power by a crapton, but make you the target of just about everyone. Whoever dealt the most damage to the wielder of Umbra when he dies, recieves Umbra. When Umbra is recieved, it has a 5 day timer before it'll return to the void. However, for every X amount of players the wielder of Umbra kills with it (100 players killed, for example), it extends the timer by 1 day, with a cap of 15 days. So a particularly aggressive, skillful and successful PvPer/PK, can hold onto Umbra for quite awhile, until they are brought down and slain, or the maximum 15 days runs it's course. There can only be 1 Umbra active at any time on a server.

Bound items exist in MMOs for one reason: to FORCE the player to HAVE to go through a pain in the but grind to get the item in question. Ultima Online didn't need bound items and it did okay. Why? Because the freedom to give an item to another player or sell it on one's vendor actuallty encouraged what sadly has become watered down in MMOs today: Social Interaction.

Bound items are an unrealistic control mechanism just to give developers an excuse not to develop new content on a more regular basis... Say you have a raid with several pieces of gear as part of a complete set. The gear is BOA, meaning you cannot trade it. Okay... most raids are on a random loot drop mechanic, with some pieces more difficult to obtain than the others. You see where I am going? If someone wants the complete set, they have to run the raid over and over until chance lets them get everything. And because it cannot be traded, there is no "I got the Boots of Blablabla again. Here. I know you need them" option. In ultima Online, you could have someone run down th the depths of some dungeon and come out with a whole bunch of some enchanted whatever. He'd keep a few for himself in case he got ganked and robbed, but he'd put the rest up for sale so those who, get this, did not WANT to go to the depths of a dungeon to get the item would not have to.

It all comes back to what MMOs have gotten away from: FREEDOM.

I played UO for several years. In all that time, I think I explored only part of the shallowest level of a few dungeons. Not because I bought dungeon gear from someone. I didn't. But because there were other areas of interest that occupied my time that were more about supporting my guild as a Fletcher. We had a lot of archers and there were days where all I did was craft arrows and put them in a chest we had designated for dropping off and picking up essentials. Many of these archers were into dungeon crawls. So while I myself didn't go, I was able to contribute.

That is what is lost on MMO developers these days. Some people just want to be useful without having to go raid or do PvP. And in some cases, without having to go run solo quests. They want to define their own personal goals and just do them. I never once had any fellow guild members in UO tell me I needed to PvP or go dungeon crawling with them. I was treated with kindness and respect by everyone, because what I chose to do helped them. I never asked for gold. I did what I did because I wanted to. Because I knew it served a purpose... and most importantly, because the game actually ALLOWED me to.

So I say no to bound items, unless there is a really good reason, like I suggested for artifacts supernaturally bound until the item is done with the player unless the player does some required action to make the item release its hold on the player.

I want MMOs to get back to being socially friendly. Where developers don't force players down any particular road. The thing is, if there was ever an IP that would be supportive of this, it would have to be The Elder Scrolls.

Exactly. I started playing UO back in it's Beta, and i still play UO to this day out of nostalgia (and old habits die hard). The fact that we had FFA PvP and Full PvP Loot kept the market going, the economy didn't stagnate unlike in other MMORPGs. The player craftsman were kept in business because people were always having to replace their weapons/armor after either it wore out and broke, or got looted. Alot of times, a good, several times GM Craftsman in a guild was more valuable, respected, and in demand, than a several times GM Warrior was. They're the ones that supplied the Warriors and allowed them to return to the field of battle freshly equipped.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 10:24 pm

So as everyone knows the daedric artifacts are a big part in the Elder Scrolls universe, but with an mmo not everyone can have one Daedric artifact to themselves, so my theory on what they can do with them, is make them competitive raids, each faction will compete with each other for control of the Daedric artifacts. like in WOW with the dragon that when a faction kills him the faction gets a buff for an hour. So the factions can compete for dominance of the Daedric artifacts, (it will be temporary of course, since Daedric artifacts like to move.) which each Daedric artifact can have different and unique buffs for the faction! just an idea thoughts?
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 8:57 am

I would like to see artifacts that are unique on a server but which drop to the opponent when the player carrying them is killed in PvP or a duel. Perhaps there could be some time limitation as well, to prevent people from acquiring an artifact and then logging off indefinitely.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 12:38 pm

I would like to see artifacts that are unique on a server but which drop to the opponent when the player carrying them is killed in PvP or a duel. Perhaps there could be some time limitation as well, to prevent people from acquiring an artifact and then logging off indefinitely.

Yeah I proposed something similar

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1373356-umbra-and-all-the-other-tamrielic-artifacts/page__p__20761170#entry20761170
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 1:19 pm

Great minds, they say, think alike.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 2:19 pm

I think it would be like in WoW where you go to a location to get an artifact guarded by tough enemies and whoever gets it just gets it. Of course you can go with another party and try again later. Kinda like the Sword Of Azeroth in WoW
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 1:27 am

I think it would be like in WoW where you go to a location to get an artifact guarded by tough enemies and whoever gets it just gets it. Of course you can go with another party and try again later. Kinda like the Sword Of Azeroth in WoW
That would make to many people have stuff like Umbra.
I would really HATE to see 3 people with Umbra for example. So no. Time elapsed its not fair.
Im partidary of the "kill and drop" option. Killer gets the item rightfully.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 2:25 pm

That would make to many people have stuff like Umbra.
I would really HATE to see 3 people with Umbra for example. So no. Time elapsed its not fair.
Im partidary of the "kill and drop" option. Killer gets the item rightfully.
People will just glitch the game to make themselves immortal so they won't die and therefore won't lose their stuff. And did Umbra even exist in the 2nd Era?
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 3:59 am

People will just glitch the game to make themselves immortal so they won't die and therefore won't lose their stuff. And did Umbra even exist in the 2nd Era?

I have no idea, all I can find is information on how it is created but not when it was created. As for the glitch I am sure the dev and patch team will do everything in their power to prevent such glitches, even if somebody did find a glitch that makes them invincible you can be sure it would be patched pretty quick.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 2:47 am

I have no idea, all I can find is information on how it is created but not when it was created. As for the glitch I am sure the dev and patch team will do everything in their power to prevent such glitches, even if somebody did find a glitch that makes them invincible you can be sure it would be patched pretty quick.
Or it would be like that one Southpark Episode. Make Love Not Warcraft :P
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 1:49 pm

Only one artifact per server, ie only one Umbra, Savior's Hide etc on each server. If you die in PVP then it can be looted from you.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 1:24 am

What is this supposed to be an rp?
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 10:32 am

What is this supposed to be an rp?
No.
MMO's are spread over multiple servers.
Usually, rare items just have a very low drop rate, but are unlimited in number, so everyone can get one. I think that there should only be one artifact per server.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 12:25 am

No.
MMO's are spread over multiple servers.
Usually, rare items just have a very low drop rate, but are unlimited in number, so everyone can get one. I think that there should only be one artifact per server.
oh my bad i suppose so i see logic in that yet people would complain.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 4:07 am

oh my bad i suppose so i see logic in that yet people would complain.
I'm gonna complain when people kill me while dual wielding Mehrune Razor
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 11:23 am

The Blade of Woe isn't an artifact, it's a traditional dagger granted to new recruits of the Dark Brotherhood. It's not unique.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 9:57 pm

Then I can play my theif Khajiit and pickpocket your item huehuehue. That sounds like a good idea, I'd sell it for a beeelion dollars ^.^ but I can't help from thinking about the players who will complain that they never get their hands on said item.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 3:59 am

The Blade of Woe isn't an artifact, it's a traditional dagger granted to new recruits of the Dark Brotherhood. It's not unique.
this.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 5:52 am

The Blade of Woe isn't an artifact, it's a traditional dagger granted to new recruits of the Dark Brotherhood. It's not unique.
Nevertheless, I agree with the OP's sentiment. It would be weird running around in a world where everyone can have a copy of, say, the Mace of Molag Bal.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 3:58 am

As do I. My contention with the Blade of Woe example should not be understood to signify any opposition to the concept itself.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 12:56 am

As do I. My contention with the Blade of Woe example should not be understood to signify any opposition to the concept itself.
I know maybe they might have different names of rare weapons who knows.
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 7:39 am

Changed my example to mehrune razor, you people are so picky :P
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Post » Fri May 18, 2012 8:38 am

Much better.
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