Nah, I prefer NCR. Democracy/Republic is the only system that works.

because It worked great in the Great war, right? caesar's system is quite welll. It follows up the roman system, which was effecient.

Yeah, the Romans were much better about how they used their nuclear arsenals.

Is the Roman Empire still here?

That should repleal your argument.

NCR? Legion? Good Guys?

Psh. Everyone knows Mr. House is the REAL good guy. :blush2:

Everyone knows zombies can't be good guys.

Nah, robotic jello anyone?

Yes Man is the REAL good guy.

LOL...Caesar is delusional. Hes nothing like Rome. Hes just a barbaric raider that speaks in half Latin. The smartest entity in the whole camp is the Auto-Doc. NCR is about as evil as mid nineteenth century America, unable to efficiently police itself because of its expansion west, or east in this case. Even if Caesar took the Dam, there's no way hes going to topple the huge western NCR. The western NCR are already on the verge of a post post-apocalyptic society. To tear it down to start some faux Pax Romana would be idiotic, theres no reason to start it over. Not to mention Caesars refusal to use modern medicines, which is something the real Rome was always up on. An Imperial government is a lot more easy to corrupt than the NCR's half assed democracy. Under NCR control, may we just destroy ourselves again with nukes? Perhaps, but its better than getting invaded by Neo-Ostrogoths, Vandals and the Huns. Also the overall writing of Caesars legion is lopsided and unrealistic for me. It seems Josh wrote them as bad guys until you actually beat the game sided with them, just to make their morality seem more grey. Also I'm totally unbiased towards either faction really, just looking at it from a realistic perspective, not a "For game balancing and writing" perspective.

It seems like this, yes. I was less supporting the legion, and more bashing the NCR.

Oh, I wasnt trying to argue, I should of just posted and not qouted anyone. Just wanted to give my opinion on the lopsided Legion writing.

Right - so a delusional ex Follower of the Apocalypse who has a huge ego and hard on for all things Roman is more efficient too? The Legion are idiots - run by a idiot who's visions of grandeur don't reflect on the size of his army (in the game at least). If what we see in the game is the extent of the Legion - why would the NCR or even the BoS be afraid of them? Well organized fiends could take out the Legion.

Apparently the Legion are thousands strong out east. Although this brings up another problem. Why does Caesar need New Vegas when he could probably, through slave labor, create an even bigger better Rome somewhere out east? He obviously could care less about a new civilization, he just wants to annihilate the NCR. Caesar is a political radical slash war criminal.

Has anyone here even actually finished the game with CL...?

Does Caesar have a "new" Rome back east though, would it matter? It certainly isn't hinted at in the game.. It doesn't matter to me - The Legion and by extension Caesar are morons.. Caesar seems to think that just because he read a few books about Rome and the real Caesar that he has the ability and genius to be the "new" Caesar and forge a new Roman Empire.. He's nothing more than a delusional terrorist. The Legion comes over as basically "hunter-gatherers" and nothing more, migrating season by season to new areas where, due to their size they become the dominate force.. unfortunately for them the NCR are around and are far better organized. I honestly can't believe they have this vast army.. they're a well organized gang, nothing more.

Yep and it was pretty unrealistic, if you interpret the ending as a "Happily ever after" like a lot do.

Caesar apparently doesn't have a new Rome, which is why I said a "good" emperor would of built one for his people before war mongering through the Mojave so haphazardly. If they are truly a thousand plus strong and have territory from Colorado to Arizona, its hard to believe they live like you say, as nomadic hunter gatherers. That's why Caesars delusional, he could care less about a Pax Romana, he just wants to wipe out the NCR. The first thing I would of done as emperor would have been the creation of a new Rome, which would of been a whole lot bigger than the Strip is. if Caesar would of run his "society" in a more typical way, they would be way stronger and more civilized.

I vote for the removal of Caesar's Legion as a faction and for it to be replaced by a neo FLDS cult.

lol tbh rome fell due to corruption bureaucracy and ass hat maruaders/most if not all nations eventually have fallen to the same disease.this moron caesar and his *conditioned* savages are no diff.They follow caesar once the head is gone it will be driven into the ground.

Well from the info I gathered in the game...the CL territories were complete chaos until Caesar took over and brought order. Caesar wants to expand just as the Roman Empire did...keep in mind that the Roman Empire began as just a city.

Your trading one chaos for another. CL is nothing like Rome or at least the "idea" of Rome. CL didn't need to expand, their territory isn't full, or even developed. Caesar just has a bone to pick with the NCR and uses this whole thing as a scapegoat. Kind of like Hitler with the Jews.

Caesar was dilusional when he said it was new Rome right?
I figured his main reason for hitting it so hard is his pride.
That was the first major loss for the Legion.

The only happy ending for the Legion in my book is if...
1. Caesar dies
2. Lanius dies...
3. Some one who was raised within the Legion not annexed into it takes over the reigns.

That could reform the Legion into what Caesar says he wants. However Caesar has far to much pride, and goes against his own ideas. I mean really an Auto-Doc? One of his guards should see him as weak, and take over command.


Also on a side note the NCR is gray... just not as deep a shade of gray as the Legion.

kinda ironic that moron was actually part jewish himself/but anyways its truth that hes just looking for an excuse to start **** with ncr/but honestly any one know why he hates the ncr with such a passion?

You have a point, but I think that the real problem here is that we lack the information we need to actually understand what's going on.

More dispatches from the frontlines of Stupid Evil:

The whole middle section of the map is now a deserted wasteland. Sharecropper Farms, Aerotech Park, Crimson Caravan Company... all lay silent now. It seems that the NCR have no defence against a level 18 character with a Ballistic Fist. If the Praetorian Guard stopped lounging around in Caesar's tent then the war could've been won a long time ago.

(Incedentally, here's a fun little tidbit: the junkies in Aerotech are much tougher than standard NCR troopers. I get 20xp for a soldier but those bums were dishing out 50xp a time. The NCR are in deeper trouble than I thought...)

Playing Stupid Evil in this game is a lot of fun, particularly as a break after a more serious character, but it does lead to a pretty weird game-world after a while. And it does highlight how knackered the AI is in this game: in Aereotech I killed Frank Weathers for looking at me [censored]-eyed, and the other refugees just milled around as if nothing happened. So I murdered them too, and each was happy to await his fait, no-one even thought to attempt to flee. I had the same experience when going Butcher Pete in the Gourmand: I would club a diner to death and his companions would just sit and carry on with their meal as if nothing had happened. One guy's severed head landed in the soup bowl of the diner next to him and she didn't even break a sweat, just carried on eating. It was a bit weird to say the least.

Also, I have reached the conclusion that Veronica is one of the most evil characters in the game: not once does she berate be for my mindless, brutal evil, but rather she enthusiastically joins in the pillaging and plundering. She's got no compunctions about working with the Legion, either. She may seem to be all sweetness and light, but her actions reveal a total pyschopath. She's worse than Jericho I tell you. I guess the BoS really are a bunch of homicidal maniacs.

edit: oh and my karma rating's now 'very good' after I killed a half-dozen ghouls. So much sillyness...

Agree, wish there is some way to put Arcade in charge :laugh:

I just realised something, I could be way off with this but go with me lol.

NCR is Rome and Caesar is Caesar returning from Gaul (Arizona etc) which makes the Colarado the NCR's Rubicon.

So Caesar is trying to cross the Rubicon(Colarado) to overthrow The Senate(NCR Senate) and take control of the Republic(NCR) as overall dictator and God Emperor.

Sorry if you all figured this out long ago