Buy another game

Bit of a thread revival here.

I've just done this. Bought a 360 and traded in my PS3 copy for the 360 version. After 42 hours on the PS3 version (which came crashing to a halt when the lag kicked in) and consequently a very vivid and fresh memory of how it looks on PS3, I really do feel the 360 version looks better, not that the PS3 version is a slouch in the looks department by any means but I'm noticing much richer colours and better contrast. And I have a friend with an 11mb save file on his 360 version with no lag issues. I guess I'm lucky I could afford to do this, I know not everyone can.

The great PS3 Skyrim trade in-a-thon starts here (or continues here anyway). Do you know I actually felt a pang of regret for the poor sod who is going to buy my pre-owned PS3 version and the crushing disappointment that awaits them when they realise they've wasted 40 hours of game time? Fingers crossed for you guys that you get a patch for it very soon and you don't lose your save files. Starting again from scratch is nowhere near as special (I speak from experience)

To any moderators: I know this post adds nothing to the technical issues side of the PS3 problems. I'm just exersising some freedom of speech and signing out as a previously crushed PS3 player of Skyrim in the most relevant thread (or irrelevant depending on your viewpoint) rather than starting another one.

Sadly, I'm prepared to do the same. I'm holding off until the patch though. Lately I've been hearing reports that Skyrim is pushing PS3's to their limit, causing several YLOD's around the map. Two friends and several coworkers all need new PS3's. Of course, each one has an older fat model, which is what I have. An original release 60GB. So, if the patch does help, I'm also possibly looking at having to get a new one any way.

I don't blame Bethesda for the dying systems. These next gen consoles are like computers. Eventually, they meet their end.

Well, the PS3 by its very nature has notoriously low memory but the release of an untested game on it (that results in a game ending situation) was inexcusable and it was Bethesda's fault. They should have tested the game to ensure every location and quest could be accumulated on a PS3 and the systems memory would be able to handle it. They didn't. They simply shouldn't have released it on PS3. But as I said, I do hope that everyone gets that golden patch soon. Whether... and when they will of course, is still anyones guess.

I'd rather not, the X-box burned me hard enough already, they're not getting my business anymore. Guess I'm waiting for a patch, or until I can afford a PC.

Understandable, however the argument of "Did Bethesda break my PS3" will never hold up, which is why I choose to not blame them.

Yes, this was obviously an untested product. It baffles me. How on Earth does a product this bad get shipped out? This is like ordering a Whopper from Burger King. You pull away from the drive-thru, check, and the order is completely wrong. Instead of onion rings you have fries, and the Whopper is a chicken sandwich. That sweet tea is a diet freaking Coke! I mean, did they even check the order and match it with the receipt prior to handing it to me?

This is the main thing that really pisses me off. You guys are paid to create video games! Something that we pay to play. You're seriously trying to tell me that nobody is actually paid to fully test the game? And I don't mean test by, does this dungeon work, does that certain quest trigger work... I mean sit and play the game from start to finish, doing every single quest, just to ensure the product is ready for release?

/rant

I'm going to Burger King

I rented the xbox version and also noticed the "richer colors and better contrast", not really better. The colors seems more cartoony on the xbox compared to the more realistic subdued colors on the ps3. As for the shadows many of them are totally black, totally blocky, and look ridiculous . You can see barely any detail in a dark part of a room, dungeons, and walking around outside at night looks pretty terrible too. Its way too dark. Also the xbox has constant screen tearing which kills immersion for me when the screens constantly tearing every time I move. The only plus that xbox that I noticed is that plants and water have more texture detail. Its not extremely noticeable but its definitely there.

To each their own. I personally prefer the extra density of colours and blacks and whites in the 360 version. But I can see how you'd find the shadows quite dark. My TV handles those quite well and I can see everything very clearly.

Bottom line is no version is perfect of this game, and the 'buying a 360' thing isn't an ideal solution (for everyone). There are even some reports of lag appearing on the 360 versions so who knows, it may affect that console later than the PS3 version (larger save file). Either way we now have a sticky that the 1.2 patch is on its way so keep your fingers crossed they've combated this potential and real problem for every version. I don't think they can afford to ignore it this time around like they did with Oblivion and Fallout

I never run games on any system without tweeking my TV settings. I set my brightness up and lowered my TV's contrast in game mode on the 360 (I know not everyone has this) and the extreme contrast is gone. I did some tweeking on the PS3 version has well.

If you buy a 360 before waiting for the patch to play Skyrim then you're very foolish. Patience, see if the patch works first.

you have black crush....its either your tv is not calibrated properly or your tv cant produce black quality .....my tv you can see all the detail in almost black environments...

My TV is also tweeked for each game. The darkness is part of the xbox version, it has nothing to do with ones TV. Every side by side picture you can see the xbox version is noticeably darker. I just thought mentioning the "better contrast" was a bit misleading. As for danlevm echoing Drakaland's TV theory, my TV has no problem displaying the darkness on the ps3 version or any other game, movie, tv show. You're just ignoring the xbox versions flaws.

I'm not a fan of this practice, rather than buying it again for the full $60 (in essence paying $120 for the SAME game) and essentially rewarding Bethesda for giving PS3 gamers a broken game, I'd say get a second-hand copy, that way the sale won't go to Bethesda, and you'll hit them where it hurts. If I find a second hand Skyrim xbox 360 copy, I'll get it, but as I said, I won't reward Bethesda. They need to fix this.

I know what you mean, I've had 4 xbox 360s RRODing over the last few years, and nowadays I rarely buy for the xbox any more (even though I've heard the slim is more reliable, but that boat has sailed for me). The fact that Skyrim seems to be optimised for xbox 360 is a bitter pill to swallow, and I suppose eventually if I can find a second hand copy of the xbox version of Skyrim, I'd probably consider getting it, but I won't buy a new copy. I think Bethesda doesn't deserve another $60 from me... So I guess, my advice to people who are considering getting an additional xbox 360 copy of Skyrim, get it second hand. The sale won't go to Bethesda.

i traded my ps3 version in yesterday for the 360 version and i'm glad i did the game looks far far better feels more solid, if anyone is on the fence all i can say is just do it now while the ps3 version still has a half decent trade in price

Sorry to say this guys, but you people are the exact reason companies get away with releasing games with bugs etc ... you people have absolutely no backbone what so ever.
Not only did they make money from you once, they are now making money from you twice (PS3 and xBox). Why on earth would they take accountability for their crap PS3 port? Why? Seriously, you ADD facebook gaming generation people are a joke.

Grow a spine for christ sake. The only way companies like Bethesda will ever learn is when consumers talk with their wallet. For the slow people here, that means keeping your wallet in your backpocket, and preferably using any means necessary to get your money back.

Is Skyrim a great game (if it works)? Hell yeah ...
Is what Bethesda is doing to the PS3 crowd inexcusable? Hell yeah ...

Conclusion? Backbone people.
If you want the world to change, if you want to make a change what so ever, you have to start with yourself! And you do that by saying no to Bethesda, with your wallet. Even if it's the game you've been waying for for years.

But as long as there are people out there like you, that let companies like Bethesda get away with this behaviour ... nothing is going to change.

Did you purchase a copy? Just curious why you'd be roaming the Skyrim forums if you didn't.

You clearly haven't played Skyrim.

I did, and I returned it yesterday to the store.
Did I like doing that? No, because I've been waiting a long time for the game. But like I said, if you want to make a point, as a consumer, that is the only way. No amount of complaining on forums will help you, not when the only people present are volunteers.

Is my returning the game going to make any difference? Nope...
But if every single PS3 user that is having issues would do this, would return their copy to their reseller, it just might.

It's called backbone. Standing up for your rights. It's called self esteem. I had to work for that 60$. Newsflash ... so should Bethesda. Releasing a game with a gamebreaking bug present they knew about since it was present in their previous game is a big no no.

Weird thing to say ... but okay. You go ahead and buy both the xbox and pc version then. Support the ADD facebook gaming crowd some more. Developers love your kind.

Technically just returning the game isn't going to do anything. That's sort of taking the, "Meh, I give up, give me my money back and I'll go away" approach.

The ranting that has been done on this forum has now made it's way over to major internet media sites such as Gamespot, IGN, etc. These sites are now hopping on board to resolve this issue. Non-biased parties. Sources that can really have an impact on Bethesda.

As a company, everything is fine and dandy until the flood gates are open. If you're running a business and a few customers are not satisfied, you work with it and hope you break even, even if it means you don't get those customers back. However, is the customers start banding together and you have your local news team standing outside your building with a crowd of people... well... you start to get your sh*t together.

Do we matter to Bethesda? No, we don't. The only thing that matters to them, just like company and business, is their professional image. Notice that the talks and announcements being made from Mr. Hines about the updates are AFTER major websites starting talking about it. Sure they are vague, but up until IGN started reporting it, we've all really been left in the dark.

Good for you, seriously. I understand where you're coming from and I know what you're saying with your message. But, insulting people on the forum stating they are a joke and have no backbone isn't very productive. IMO, there are better ways to go about getting your message across without trashing.

Yep, like i said, my returning is not going to do anything, but if every single user would do this however, it definately would. Because then you have some real attention, from resellers. And they don't like consumers complaining and demanding refunds, because it hurts them financially. And when the big reseller chains are loosing their $, Bethesda (or their publisher) will have to answer to someone.

The updates he's doing now are nothing more than standard crisis management. Calm down the users, get some positive attention from media and social media platforms. Nothing more. Just waiting for the storm to pass over.

Ok, point well made, maybe not cool from my end.

It just frustrates me to see people so 'in love' with their game they would take anything from a developer that pretty much spits in their face. It saddens me ...

It seems they allowed the Xbox to maintain the fps at the expense of screen tearing, I think its to do with the AA. But the have forced the PS3 to drop fps so there would be no screen tearing(using the words "allowed and forced" seem a bit fan boyish). If only the upcoming patch could allow the PS3 constant fps and then do the AA if possible, if not allow a little screen tearing to maintain fps.