In the game, I fully intend to help the Legion with anything it wants. But I also like to be a good person. Are those goals necessarily at odds? The developers in all of their previews have made it a point to say that no faction will be 'good' or 'bad'. They've left Mr House fairly ambiguous, and they've shown of NCR almost to the point of total saturation (by which I mean they mention in every single one) and each time they tell us about NCR's good and bad sides. But with Caesar's Legion, they always mention that they're a huge slaving organization, and nothing more. Do you think this is on purpose, or is Caesar's Legion as shallow as it looks from here? (I'm hoping I missed some preview where they mentioned any redeeming qualities at all, besides the Roman aesthetic)

Anyway, if I didn't miss anything, do you think they'll have some deeper side to them? If so, what?

My ideal situation would be if they used harsh methods and a form of merit-based slavery (someone with any merits quickly becomes a full member) to better the wasteland, developing areas they've conquered to quickly and efficiently improve humanity's chances in the end.

Their probably saving these reasons for in game.

I think CL will have some decent qualities as well as NCR being total tools.

And Mr. House is the man with the plan.

I also hope that Caesar's Legion (CL) will have some good redeeming qualities. It would be very interesting if their leader has similar motivations and intentions to the leader in the Pitt DLC for Fallout 3. In the Pitt DLC, the leader of the slavers in the city of Pittsburgh (can't remember his name right now) was using slavery in order to get the city up and running as quickly as possible, but after that was completed and Pittsburgh was self-sufficient and well protected, he fully intended to abolish slavery completely. He was a very nuanced and interesting character, and I actually ended siding with him for role-playing purposes. Given the game's story and setting, what he was trying to do in Pittsburgh made rational sense.

Anyway, I hope that CL will be something like that - that is, more than just evil, nasty slavers. Let's hope....

As Spartacus said, "There is one path, we kill them all."

My character is a psychotic murderer, and ghoul rapist. I will kill them all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol4zInHFD3g

Yea you guy's are right, Caeser's Legion are absolute saints of the waste.

Forced Slavery = Evil

Burning people on crosses = I would say evil, I wouldn't say that falls under being grey

A mad man who controls a bunch of guys wearing foot ball gear & skirts to look like there roman which think's what he is doing in the long run will be the best way.

Hah no I do not think so, just because the developers & the game itself want you to think that they are not exactly evil is pretty hilarious. About every mad man like Hitler in real life and in fiction think what they are doing is the best way. If you believe that Caeser's Legion isn't evil and are neutral then you might want to think about that. I personaly am going to side with the faction for sure probably on my 2nd play through but im not going to think I am doing any kind of good for anything lol.

It's the same principle when Darth Sidious was telling Anakin to go slaughter everyone and then we will have peace.

Hah I mean com on guy's, yea there is no bad guy in the game and or exactly THE evil faction but there sure isn't anyone that is doing anything for the good in the long run far as NCR & Caeser's Legion goes. I personaly like to play the evil characters (Always) and if Caseer's Legion doesn't fall under bad guys then umm . . . Im at a loss for words.

Uh, no one said that? The point was what makes them 'gray', like the developers say all the factions are.

I think the Roman influence is part of the upside, considering the Romans had a society with heavy dependence on slaves, yet they were, for a decent amount of time, very successful in their civilization.

This is the main thing that i'm kinda worried about too. I hope they have a good reason behind CL wanting to enslave and kill everyone they come across and don't just put it down to them being "the baddies". At this point it's looking like i will side with them cos i'm gonna go with the faction that most suits my play style and being fairly opportunistic i usually end leaning more towards evil

The Legion may be considered evil but all 3 of the main factions have a little bit of grey moral area. I'll give an example about the NCR they might be boy scouts but if a particular faction doesn't submit to their rule (Powder Grangers) they might wipe out that group. Now the Grangers are obviously evil but what if its a good faction like FOTA that wants to be independent and left alone.

Also Ceasar may have his reasons for going after House and NCR like Ashur did with the Pitt.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the NCR <-> Ceasar's Legion conflict will be one of stability and productivity.

Ceasar's violence and slave taking ensure stability and loyalty in the territories he controls.

NCR's democratic principals and open-ness are 'nicer' but leave them divided and incapable of enforcing a stable government.

Mr.House I think is the anti-progress option. He seems to want the world to just be what it was two hundred years earlier, with the New Vegas strip being his own personal time capsule.

In interviews, when they refer to them being more 'bad guys' yet saying there are no 'bad guys' is due to poor communication.

It is true to say that for most people in real life, Caesar's Legion would be seen as the more bad and evil group. But for your character you can choose within the game who is the antagonist organization for you. The achievements seem to suggest you do different missions depending on which faction you support so you can side with a faction more than you could in Fallout 3 (where you couldn't really join the Enclave)

The Legion are the "bad guys" from the point of view of the NCR. From Mr House's point of view? He might see them as the good guys, come to save him from NCR. And you... you might need the Legion to complete the quest, so in that respect they are ambiguous like the slavers in the Pitt.

Don't anolyse it too closely, don't have preconceptions, wait until you are involved in the game and see how it pans out....

Doubt it

This. The NCR is nowhere near stable and possible extremly corrupted. Cesar's Legion is for the moment the better faction to side with imo for rebulding. In the end it also has a high chance of falling apart. But this will hopefully be when Civilazation is again at a state where it can support itself.


Theres no need to look at this in a good/evil way. Buhhh, Slavery is evil. So what?

What is the best solution for civilization? Thats the question.

hmmm.. but maybe that's just what they WANT you to think. Depends if you're allied to the NCR at the time or not... no preconceptions..

Are you refering to my post?

I wouldn't necessarily put any of them to being evil. I think it's going to be more about the way how you approach the quests that will determine are you good or evil. I'll give you an example, let's say theres town that is hiding some sworn enemy of the CL and they want him killed. The townsfolk is hiding him and you have a option to try to talk them giving the guy to you or slaughter the whole town to get to him.

What comes to the ending of the game and the faction you will choose to help, I think that the ending being good or evil reflects to your personality. If you aren't just gonna mindlessly kill everyone in the wastes and you instead think about the consequences of your actions the ending will you let decide which was the good ending. What I mean that there is no clear good/evil ending of the game, but instead it's about you and what do you think is best for the wastes. Do you want weak and corrupted NCR that can't even defend it's own citizens to bring the world of tomorrow or is it CL who can provide protection and bring peace with the cost of slavery and brutal conquest.

re: Colonel: ah yeah sorry, both posted at the same time lol

You want House to be cool.. I personally think he's going to be the most lothesome, evil, contraversial character in the game. Which would make him even cooler

No it's just, it doesn't make sense to my post. My post is about CL and House relations being negative, yours is about NCR :bonk:

it does make sense:

You're aligned with NCR, so not exactly in Legions good books. House and Legion are buddying up. House wants to meet you personally, so Caesar gives you a chance to get in Legion good-books by giving you a "mission" to kill House, when really it's an elaborate plot to get you into his House's spiderweb. or something. Maybe

Over 100 elaborately intertwined quests, where nothing is straightforward or black and white.

Yup

Its not evil, its a view of how they see the world, their philosophies.

But yeah Mr. House just seems like a fat greedy bastard(but makes up for it with buttloads of charisma)

I don't think three factions vieing for control of Hoover Dam are suddenly gonna pair up xD

Plus like I said, after Caeser wants you to do that thing to that person, I dont those two are pals you know?

Figure out what type of philosophy the faction operates by, and you can morally justify any actions that are asked of you. Even the greatest villains consider themselves morally justified heroes. Benito Mussolini's brand of Fascism comes to mind, when considering the Legion.

They could change minds and join hands and start skipping in a field of irradiated flora.

But who knows where this MQ could go maybe if you have high enough (skill) you can get 2 factions to side with each other to take out the 3rd.

Its all about diplomacy..............and guns.......and very small rocks.


@ ErikNikolai- Uh duh, its how you should approach the game, were not here to say in this era who is right, but who in our opinion is right in the FO universe or if you don't even want to save the world. Its all from perspective.

And irradiated kittens. :laugh: