trying to compare TESO to WoW?

WoW is a horrible game and I do not want the community to make WoW 2 here, we already have that in SWTOR and look how well that turned out. So please lets stop talking about pvp and pve equipment and if we should have xx amount of stats to certain items. Or tiers in equipment.

I wish to see TESO to be a direct representation to the single player games with the same kind of mechanics and equipment stats. I know this will have to be converted to work within a mmo, but I do not wish to see a equipment treadmill taking place within the game nor the stats for pve and pvp being seperate.

Fire... you are fueling it.

The WoW comparison is inevitable, I'm afraid.

Sorry to burst your bubble but they will have to add in some sort of gear treadmill, the single player ES games have very few armor sets. MMO's have more than you can count and that is what you are likely to see in ESO. You will see the original sure but you will see many more sets and it is very likely that you will see a gear treadmill. They have said several times they want you to work hard for your gear but be rewarded for it. This implies that gear will be hard to get but will have increase in stats and make a difference. Hence the reward. They have learned from other MMORPG's in that last 5-6 years and if they haven't noticed by now it is that gear treadmills are needed to keep people interested in the game. GW2 even added in another tier (ascended) to get more people interested.

In Skyrim when they released dragonborn they released several new armor sets and many new weapons.

ESO will not be a direct representation of the single players games, they are trying to appeal to the MMO crowd aswell. They are still releasing TES VI but if you are expecting ESO to be exactly like the single player games, don't play it because it won't be and they are to far in the production of it to make any major changes to make it more like a single player ES game.

WoW is a triumph and an amazing achievement of interactive media (as is, the Elder Scrolls franchise). WoW's creators have spend countless hours away from their families and expelled vast amounts of energy. All to make the Warcraft franchise what it is today. The way in which you express yourself here both angers and saddens me. It's like the old ladies in my neighborhood. If they truly dislike and and disagree with so much about others and the world at large, why can't they seem to stop talking about it? It's obvious to me that, many people (perhaps even you, Mungo) like conflict. Like the feeling it gives to argue and differ. You point out a small discrepancy hoping it will turn into a battle royale, so you can sit back and watch. I guarantee you no one at Zenimax Online would speak such rot about such a successful and well liked franchise. If they did, they wouldn't truly mean it. How could they, knowing what they know about games and the games industry? I'm sure they'd share a beer with the guys in Irvine. If you wouldn't say it to their faces, why say it here?

Of course ESO will draw comparisons to WoW. Every MMO will be grouped-in with the most successful and largest game of it's time.

Comparing MMO's to other MMO's yeah why would people what to do that...

If one is not able to comprehend why or handle a new MMO having traits that are similar to past MMO's, I might suggest finding another hobby to follow. All games have stuff that other games have. Doesn't mean they are "copies" or "clones", just means they are the same type of games IE MMORPG.

Hmm, we already know theres one type of gear.

Btw, gear-grind is standard of the gerne.. sadly.

Just as some people's primary role on the ESO board appears to be to append snide remarks, adding little or nothing to the overall discussion.

See what I did there?

WoW is not a horrible game, it's just old. Once a game get's old you simply don't want to play it, that's completely natural. I played wow since release and that is the reason I don't want to play it anymore (not because it svcks).

when they make this game and plan to ad something they have to ask himself - Howe was is in the previous ES games and can we do it that way .... yes / no..

Exactly. I think many developers are still stuck in the old days and think they can get away with not trying to make a better game. I look at mmo as a service, if the service is poor why should people leave their old game to get worse service? Make a product to best the old one, that is the only way to make the next-gen mmorpg...

I wish more mmo devs would understand this. So far I think Zenimax Online get this.

We may as well stop using the forums then...

Agreed, most of the posts are WoW, WoW and more WoW...

I understand what you are saying, but do realize that (and note, I AM NOT A WoW fan) there are a fair number of things that WoW did RIGHT. However, this does not mean WoW is the be-all end-all solution to MMO's. There are many things that WoW did that can, and SHOULD be improved upon and/or scrapped entirely. We know for a fact that if ESO becomes WoW 2, it won't sell as much as an ES game Online would, simply being, if WoW 2 occurs, people will just go back to WoW. You need something new to draw in players, and to keep them playing, but something old helps keep people familiarized with the game from the start, making it less of a learning curve for MMO players. WoW comparisons will occur, but it does not mean they should occur in the actual game. I agree, a gear treadmill should not occur in ESO or, should at least be minimal. Unfortunately it is up to Zenimax to decide what will, or will not occur in the game. We can only hope we do not get another SWTOR.

Should we compare it to Call of Duty instead? That sounds like a good idea. Seriously, get off your high horse man...
WoW is THE biggest MMORPG to date and still is, it's what all MMORPG developers want to be as successful as.
Just because you don't like WoW it doesn't stop it from being the most successful MMORPG.

I'll never play WoW again, even though it's still a great game, at least I'm willing to accept that. What's wrong with comparing two MMOs? I'm pretty sure many of us don't want ESO to be a WoW clone, but there's no reason not to bring WoW up when it's the best and worst comparison you can make.

Funny, I remember there being a lot of things you could do to improve your gear in ES.

edit: nothing wrong with an honest comparison to wow, but if you are going to go the route that many have that say anything like wow is BAD then just hush.

Maybe people will stop comparing TESO to WoW if you stop saying TESO should be a direct representation of the SP games, huh TC?

Well, I wouldn't say best, but the most common. WoW is a bit old, granted some mechanics will be timeless, but best comparison would probably be the more recent MMO's to date, as they are better representations of what NOT to do or what TO DO. WoW is just the most well known due to its massive player base.

We always talk on these boards as if we were actually the ones creating the game. Give the devs some credit for being able to determine which features are worth using. They've proved that they have their priorities right so far.

I agree with the OP. I tried WoW once, I had to quit after a couple of weeks. I hated the gameplay and cartoon graphics, and the proportions all seemed off. I hate WoW and I hate that so many people think it's the apex of internet gaming.

WoW is a good game, even if you don't like it millions of others still do. People will compare any new mmo to WoW because of it huge success, there is no getting around it.

I played WoW on and off for a few years, as an ex-player who doesn't let bad experiences cloud my judgement I can say this is why WoW is so successful.

There is not another MMO out there on the market that does as many things WoW does as well as WoW does them.

Take any one aspect of MMOs and you'll easily find other games that do it better. But they won't do other things WoW does as well.

1. i agree they need to stop saying wow in every thread. people need to look beyond 1 game and understand that wow is not the creator of many things. it seems if anything in TESO is also in wow people flip out and cry. news flash, if you leave everything thats in wow out of TESO this will be just about the worst game ever. games always borrow elements from other games (many games) and introduce their own new little touches. this will be no different

2. wow is not a terrible game. you saying this is exactly why people are crying its wow like. the game is just about the biggest game ever so terrible is not the proper word to use. a game where people quit after a month (mass amounts of people) can be a terrible game. another example of a terrible game to me is all the games that can be beat in a day like assassins creed and the like. everyone raves about god of war yet its over in a day, big deal. really terrible should not ever be used as its 100% opinion based

3. the letters "MMO" change everything. what you are asking for is pretty much skyrim online.

You can't deny it's the best at making money, or like you said, the best in terms of # of players - isn't that something TESO should be shooting for? Being successful? Not necessarily to the extent of WoW, and I know plenty want it to be a niche game. That's why I said best and worst, because of the reasons you listed, and the ones I did. In actual gameplay, graphics etc. they shouldn't be compared at all, in business, in content updates? You bet.

Why are you interested in TESO then? TES games fall into that category. It doesn't take a day to beat the main story of skyrim, morrowind, or oblivion, if that's how you define "beat". If you mean thoroughly exploring content, then no. I'm playing FFXIII right now, and it's linear and all about the story, and haven't beaten it in a day. I've been playing it nonstop for two days and am only a little bit over halfway done - it's already worth my purchase 16 hours into it and I'm sure I'll replay it many times. It can't compare to TES games in how much time they can soak up, but that doesn't make the quality of the content bad.