I hate colonel's Martyrs' logic -_-.But tbh if it wernt for the bos bombing id back him up.Bos are just mis guided d bags that need guidance.The ncr reminds me to much of my own government X D.Ncr are corrupt spineless swine that have no honor or morals.IF u got to scheme behind ppls backs to get something done your bottom of the dumpster in my eyes lol,but alas only they offer a fair ending for the factions excluding legion.*legion bunch of d bags *.Obsidian makes it rather obvious who they want you to choose kinda half done the main quests

Not true. New Vegas is about Reaction and Reaction, a response you'll find from the most scientific concept to the most spiritual. If you love the BoS so much, side with NCR or Yes-Man. But honestly, the BoS in the West isnt the BoS knights that F3's became over time, I'm certiantly sore lives were lost, but only 1/10 members were willing to embrace public treaty and wasteland trading, In my opinion, a bunch of technofetishist cultists put out of their misery.

I know your rite man just betraying veronica/and the few good ppl in the base feels wrong and hell they considered me family -_-.But it is truth that wes coast brotherhood are just a wannabe version of the enclave in regards to tech but just as capable in genocide to get waht they want

To say they are the Enclave is an overstatement, it's their Xenophobic Isolationism and condescending attitudes towards Wastelanders that is choking them, and only a handful of people realize this.

i hate your logic have i ever mentioned this lol>it was a tad excessive but they ae capable of small scale mass murder ;p

I believe he could deliver on his promises, but it would take hundreds of years more then he is expecting i think.

i mean, look at what he was able to do.

On the otherhand, the NCR would probably eventually take him down, if we consider that he fights the NCR in the final battle and takes the damn.
this probably gets the NCR ticked, and that means they might seek revenge.

Exactly why I like the peaceful 'NCR signs terms of surrender' because i think this is how House and his agent would handle it realistically speaking.

Wouldnt the ncr eventually seek to inhale mojave ?If i know my fascist history lessons they dont take no for an answer lol/ncr is like a virus that seeks to infect all that surrounds it a perpetual flood ?

Perhaps, but I forsee the NCR being distracted with Kimball being thrown out of Office, and the political uproar in their Senate, but in the end, if they tried, it wouldnt be pretty, Securitrons who can automatically repair versus humans who need time to heal in infirmary, whoever made the attack or ordered it would be thrown out as fast as Kimball was.

Yes, but there's a LOT of NCR soldiers and only so many Securitrons. I don't think House has an infinite supply of Securitrons to replace the destroyed ones, so it'd be Helios One all over again.

As for House... Take an honest look at New Vegas. Who did House choose to prop up as the alpha dogs of his empire? The six-slavers from the Omertas with their mafia-like attitude, the creepy cannibals from the White Glove society? Do any of them strike you as the types to lead mankind's revival? Hell, he would probably recruit the Legion to do his bidding if he could.

House cannot be good for mankind because House is no longer a man. He didn't live for two hundred years; he spent these years insulated from the world and from human experience. He is a flesh-and-blood machine controlling an army of machines. Chances are he doesn't really know what it means to be human anymore.

I'd take the corrupt, militaristic NCR over House any day.

House is the embodiment of a purely logical human being... he's a man whose personality has always been mechanical.


Even before he put himself into that stasis chamber, when he was a young man, he preferred technology to human interaction. He was always the way he was... and perhaps it's because he's a genius, or perhaps it's because he's a madman... but there's something infectious about the way that he looks at problems without any of the human tendency to personalize it. If someone is a threat, he has them eliminated without so much as a flinch. Why? Because it's not -logical- to let your enemies get stronger than they need to be.

When he wants something done, he throws money at it... and when money can't buy loyalty... he brings in someone more loyal to clean up the mess.

He isn't inhuman... or out of touch with reality... he's just not at all an emotional man. He does things the way that he does them because he has in his mind a set vision of what is right, what is wrong, and what needs to be done for the future. If anything gets in his way, or if something distracts him from that goal... he is prepared to do what needs to be done in order to keep things moving forward. He's a visionary... and often times men like him are made out to be cold and villainous. But it is precisely that coldness that allows him to do the things that no other man on the Earth can do...

... whether you agree with his methods or not doesn't matter.

If he says it can be done... that it -must- be done... then he will do it... and the only thing that can stop him is death.


That being said, I wiped out all three sides... joined the Brotherhood of Steel... and then conquered the Mojave in their name...

Actually, it's worse than that.

Think about his idea of humanity's salvation- colony ships looking for another habitable planet. Notice any problems with it?

First off, Earth isn't beyond salvage. Why turn to other planets when you can rebuild your own home? Mutated wildlife will be hunted to extinction; ways will be found to clean up sporadic radiocativity of soil and water. These are not insurmountable obstacles.

Second, space colonization a-la House is a project for thousands of years. There is no indication that faster-than-light travel, or even travel approaching the speed of light, is possible in the Fallout universe. Travelling from planet to planet would take centuries, and resources to sustain human life on board ships are finite. If they don't find a viable planet before they run out of air, food and water, the human crew will die. The LOGICAL thing for House would be to first send out robotic scouts that would message back to Earth once they've found a suitable planet, and only THEN begin to build colonization ships- and in the meanwhile he would need to ensure the continued survival of civilization on Earth for thousands of years before complete evacuation is possible.

And what is House offering to secure that? Nothing. He guards his technologies with the kind of jealous greed that would make the Brotherhood blush. He won't even share the medical tech. It also means that humanity would have ample time catch up and surpass House's knowledge in the time his preferred solution could be implemented. And that would render House obsolete.

So why the "space colonization in 50 years", you might ask?

I'll tell you why. It's all about control. House is the control freak's control freak. On Earth, there are too many variables for House to maintain complete control on things. There are rising powers that threaten his dominance, there are groups with advanced tech that could foil his plans, there are wild cards like Benny and the Courier who can throw off any sophisticated planning with a pulse grenade and a Programmer's Digest. Those pesky humans are just too damn unpredictable. So House wants to wipe the slate clean, create an environment with no surprises from the left field. House's "colony ships" would be exactly that- a completely insulated environment where everything- from air to people- is under the watchful eye of House and his machines. It's the control freak's dream, the ultimate Big Brother.

Haha, Golem... I think you're reading a bit too much into it...


He may be an arrogant, self-obsessed lunatic... and he may be a little overzealous in his desire to abandon the Wasted Earth and find a new home among the stars... but I don't think that that has anything at all to do with his desire for control and power and "Order" (which is largely what you have described). His unwillingness to share has less to do with his Megalomania... and more to do with the fact that there is nobody worthy of his trust to SHARE with... save perhaps maybe for The Courier (assuming you don't betray him).

The Earth is not salvageable. It will -never- be like it used to.

Millions of years of life has been wiped out... entire continents have been lost... those species that -do- remain, have been forever tainted by massive amounts of radiation and exposure to god-only-knows how many different mutated diseases. The New Plague is still looming out there, somewhere... Limit 115... and there is obviously enough F.E.V. still lurking in dark holes in the ground to give anyone with half a brain cause for concern. The ecosystem is unstable. The weather patterns are in chaos. The few 'nations' powerful enough to rise up from the sand are too busy squabbling over old-world tech to realize they need to rebuild... and when you try to talk sense to them... they decide to try and have you killed.

Why rebuild? Why even bother? How can anyone hope to be successful?

Perhaps House has a method of keeping his colonists alive we haven't heard of... perhaps he intends to use the technology which preserved the likes of the Vault 112 residents... or like himself... reducing their need for nourishment, by providing all the requisite nutrients they need for long portions of their journey. With large enough vessels and sufficient enough technology, food and water could be produced right on board... in turn producing the oxygen required for life. Could he do that in fifty years? Maybe... maybe not...

... but he most certainly isn't going to need THOUSANDS... and I don't think he ever mentioned to the courier whether or not he planned to simply blast them off into space without a destination.

I say that, given another hundred years, he could -easily- have the resources at his disposal to create colony ships... assuming that he's still alive.

Okay, colonisation:

We could, if we really went for it, set up a colony on Mars. In fact there has been talk of such an endeavour for some time amongst the scientific community, not without some excitement. The technology we currently possess is advanced enough that we could feasibly set up a small colony there, self sustaining with it's own oxygen, food and water supplies. It isn't easy and certainly not cheap, but it is an option available to us.

In the Fallout universe there's divergence, the world went into chaos as opposed to (relative) harmony so technological progress was incredibly rapid in some areas and incredibly slow in others. Overall though, given the tech we have seen, inactive mostly, it is theoretically possible to make work on a self sustaining community. A spaceship? Tough, but again not impossible, especially for the head of RobCo (who remember bought RepConn).



Simply put, it's physically possible. I think it would take longer, assuming the tech needs to be revisited but it is feasible.

That said, I don't think it should be done, the money, in my opinion, would be better placed fixing the problems currently faced on Earth in the fallout universe. The same money would go a long way to securing more land, attracting more people and making huge amounts of technological progress.

That's what makes it fun- reading into it


And what does THAT tell you? The fact that over two hundred years he hasn't found a single person in the whole wide world to share his vision with?


Fair enough. Now balance that with colonizing a whole new planet you don't know a damn thing about.

For one, it's going to have a different star. Completely different solar radiation output- not just intensity but also different spectrum. The ecosystem will be stable but completely alien; you could encounter creatures that would make Deathclaws look tame, or pathogens that put FEV to shame. Or high concentrations of something nasty, like arsenic, in soil and water. Or any number of absolutely unforeseeable other surprises. Seismic activity could be ten times Earth's, etc. At least on Earth you're dealing with the devil you more or less know by now. Plus a small group's chances of survival are by definition lower than a large group's.


He isn't in a terribly good shape these days, is he? He preserved his mind, but hardly the body. And if it's the best he could do for his own self...


Produced out of what? What is the ship going to produce them out of? Suppose hydroponics solve the air recycling problem, water could be recirculated (although never without loss)- but where is the ship going to get the nutrients required to grow food on board once the original supply runs out?


For launching the project? He wouldn't. For completing it? Actually finding a habitable planet and relocating humanity there? You betcha.


You reckon he already knows a habitable planet?

-Or it could support his story that he has been in a self induced coma alot the time. Other times he was fixing power outages, systems breakdowns, ect. And then just as he is considering telling Benny, the guy turns into a backstabber. And then theres the small fact that the courier is more or less superman esque.


-Or you could get lucky and hit a complete paradise where greenskinned woman worship men and where they hunger for males. Or you could assume that the mathematical robotics genious has a plan. He has had one so far. I am pretty sure he won't throw resources away if he has no chance of succeeding.



-Considering the poweroutages, the missing mark2 system ect that he lives at all is a statistical anormality.



-err... Vault 22 tech?



-Again. The man with the plan has a pretty decent track record. I don't think there are any odds that would have been sufficiant to cover him getting this far. Besides. He doesnt need to relocate "humanity". He needs what... 1.000 colonists to have a biologically viable diversity? Tops?



-I recon he knows a few candidates. I assume the Enclave did the same or their plans to launch people into space to colonize and indeed the pseudo-science of some of the vault experiments seem rather useless?

I want to die by huge amazon woman thru the painful death of SNU SNU !@!@!or green bodacious wenches if need be ;p

Let's see, he was around before the Great War of 2077. It took him over 200+ years to get electricity to a city barely, if at all, touched by atomic weapons. Now he wants to get a man in space in 50 years.

Ok there lad.




Seeing as House knows the technology that was built, it's certain that he would have predicated how long his body would survive. Seeing as we don't know the technology, all we could do is assume and guess. Also, there is no pushing it past 100. A woman lived to 122 until the year 1997 without life support or any sort of heavy medical attention.

Edit: actually a man lived to the age of 152.

He was 20 hours off being fine. Had the MKII got there in time the defences would have meant minimal harm would come to the area. As it was he spent much of the 200 years in forced coma, the only times he awoke to deal with major failures (as a result of the delay of the MKII).

Basically, he didn't spend 200+ years to get NV up and running, more like 7.