Quite, this is where liberalism has gone too far. Where our own morals that we upheld will have become a thing of the past, and eventually dubbed improper.

Not necessarily related, but you get the point I'm trying to make. This can especially be applied to a nation like Britain, where there doesn't seem to be any emerging equilibrium.

I don't know about that, I'd probably say it's more just a continuation of previous decades. Sociability been on an increasingly downward trend for years and the youth of to-day get more and more distractions - especially with the internet becoming mainstream over the past six years, these "celebrities" are just pandering to a culture that pre-dates them.

It almost pains me to see the word "liberalism" applied to people whom neither know, nor care, of it's connotations. I've always hypositited that a sharp and extreme re-call to reality is what these people need; these people who think that there concerns, especially the immediate, are the centre of the universe. They need to be made aware of the world, take the Government - for example - isn't just this thing that "exists" somewhere completely irrespective of you; imagine if we had another total-war like WW2 where the effort of the whole nation was required, rationing etc. You can imagine these people not caring in the slightest.

They're not actors, they're "normal" people. At least on this show. Also, the quote is from a film. I think it refers more the fact that this generation has not had a defining moment like previous ones. There's no place for ego in a war or famine is there? Just survival. Your twitter followers don't matter much when bombs are being dropped.

I get your meaning, there's no great "national" or just all-encompassing effort to inspire some civil duty in people; just diversification and petty concerns.

I'm a fishmonger, blockman and live in a port city. It's a very well paid and respected occupation (not celebrity pay of course).

And I think falchya got it right... Sounds like many of the young ladies "lights were off" already when being selected for the panel.

who creates and feeds media though, yes, people
i say blame the parents

Try to not get to political here. Could turn nasty.

Saddly this is the world we live in now. Trying to get a date at my age in this lifetime is damn near impossible unless you're a super dupper bo-hunk beefcake studmuffen, bad boy or you're Donald Trump wealthy and before anyone accuses me of being wrong let just say this, my Dad was on a dating sight and listed his true info about himself and got nothing---he then change his profile to super rich status (lied) and he got ALOT of hits. He didn't date or chat with any of them though. This world is really sad now.

If you're getting your generalisations about the generation from reality TV then you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

My friend I could not agree with you more. Though it's only fair to say that there are many exceptions.

I'm obviously not basing my whole idea on one segment of T.V, but it just made me pause for thought. I think like Third eye said, the time has come in my life when I've realised how absurd all of it is.

this is why dating sites are a bad idea lol, lots of shallow people there
i do see that trend a lot though. if people can't get everything, they rather leave and get nothing

Parents could certainly go a long way to not exactly stopping their children from watching those shows, but making them understand what bullcrap they are. The main reason why there are people who make these "reality" shows is because they have scandal and scandal in today's world equals money and popularity.

I should probably stop ranting now. I tend to get worked up at the state of today's youth. I'm 20 and I technically apply as one of today's youth, but sometimes when I watch TV I feel like I'm mentally 40 while the Kardashian's, Hilton's and other bullcrap peddlers are mentally 5. I often find myself feeling the exact same way as David Mitchell.

You have the wrong friends. Only thing I have to worry about my friends is them smoking the whole damn bowl!
No but really, I don't hang around the night club type of people.

I think he says it best in one of his sketches - though not necessarily on youth:

"I'm trying to make you know that the world isn't pleased to see you, you aren't needed, or included, or loved; you're ugly, superfluous and ignorant and you should be frightened and meek and grateful."

i think the issues are deeper than that. if someone feel they need to be entertained and distracted all the time, then that's gotta be something the parents did wrong. are people scared to be bored or what's the deal? i fear it's only going to get worse, because i see a lot of parents giving their kids fancy electronic devices at younger and younger ages. they're dumbing down their kids, but hey, it sure as hell is easy to make a kid shut up and smile these days

I think most woman have always dreamed of that night in shining armor to come gallantly sweep her off her feet and live happily ever after in a rich castle. Hundreds of years later it's not a knight in shining armor, but a buff guy in a shiny sports car. Instead of the rich castle where they live happily ever after it's the mansion.

Some women are just shallow. But so are some men. When it comes to reality shows like the one mentioned the casting crew probably looks for materialistic, shallow women.

You all strike me as bitter and deluded. There's tons of "nice" girls out there. Okay, it's sometimes hard to miss the ones who are loud and obnoxious and demanding and exhibitionist, but that doesn't mean they're a majority. Nor does it mean that they speak for their generation (or for their gender). But if you're looking for quiet girls you're looking in the wrong place, because they don't sign up for reality shows or dating websites, and if they do go out to clubs then they hide in the corner, or they get drunk enough to not be themselves for the night and fit in with their friends.

Or, maybe, even the girls in the club who are loud and drunk and annoying are really decent intelligent people the rest of the time? Maybe you're falling into the same mistake you accuse them of, and coming to a completely inaccurate judgement of them based on a tiny amount of experience of their personalities...?

This whole "generational decline" [censored] rhetoric has been played out over and over again and yet somehow the human race has perpetuated just the same all along. You people just get a kick about feeling better than everyone else.

people just find what they are looking for and people are damn good at looking for the wrong things

Probably because the whole "generational-decline" arguement has only been used for the past 100 years or so, and it's pretty hard to dis-agree that young people have gotten far more out-of-hand. As for being bitter I know I certainly am, because I'm just a quiet person who wants to sit in the corner and learn how to be a damn electrician without having my work stolen every few minutes to be plagerised by everyone else or something thrown at me for the henious crime of wearing different clothes and doing everyone elses work for them - and by different clothes it's a shirt and jumper, which is likened unto a suit by my classmates.

I know I'm better than these people, they cry that the college where at won't find them a work placement yet to absolutely no work in the class at all, they just sit around watching porm on their damn phones or nagging me for change.

That is really the route of it.

And as soon as you get out of school you'll realise it's an even more ridiculous place than you thought, and that real life isn't anything like it.

No likey. No lighty.

To be fair it just goes to show how shallow the girls that go on the show are, rather than the population as a whole. But I do agree with the Fight Club quote. There's nothing wrong with having a goal or having some ambition. If it's to become a high end banker or footballer then good for you. But I don't think the first world civilisations realise that not everyone is going to be rich and famous, and like the quote seems to say, they're disappointed with this.

Such a shame really, that a poor fishmonger can't find love because he's not rich, which seems to help girls to like you in general, regardless of reality show stereotypes. Although I can't help but think he might be looking in the wrong place.

Regarding that the whole stereotype of girls and gallant knights and happily ever after is a MODERN stereotype of the middle ages, that was a rather poor comparison, but I get what you're saying.