+1 - a warmth bar should be good
furrrrr armorr!

Those are actually some really cool mods, and if food and water wasn't so easy to get in New Vegas they would tell an interesting story about the struggle to avoid starvation. I'm not sure it is thematically appropriate in Skyrim for starvation and nutrition to be an issue. The land is pretty well settled and game and edible plants are abundant in most regions. I certainly haven't seen any caves or ruins that told the story of a group that ran out of food and starved to death.

But that is all tangential, the attention to detail on his weather mod is the kind of thing I would be looking for in a long term build of my proposed mod.

I like these ideas. Would be nice for some kind of hardcoe mode. I always thought it was quite odd that you can swim in these rivers without freezing to death or at least getting a cold. That's why I usually try RP a bit and try to cross rivers only at bridges or by jumping over stones (which should be slippery, BTW).

Lost on to of a glacier with the wind absolutely howling was where I desided, ok I should be an ice cube right about now.

Awesomw idea, i was thinking of it playing.
This would go together with some reality mod, were eating and sleeping are required, bringing penalties when there is a lack of. Would require a carryable sleeping bag...

Sleeping bags are much more useful for staying warm than sleeping.

I hate realism mods, too. A strong effect where you're seriously going to die by getting in the water, or anything that means fussing with inventory items, would be annoying. But there should be some small, slow amount of frost or even just stamina damage, just to get rid of the immersion-breaking unmet expectation every time I step into the water. There's no point in game where I expect to have to leave money behind because gold weighs so much, or to be hungry now, or to twist my ankle hopping down five feet and landing badly. Those kinds of mods fix things that never seem wrong without stopping and thinking about them. Jumping into icy water is actively changing something. You know you're in new territory because your weapons are put away, your visibility goes down, you can drown, there are swishy sounds, you can see the swim animation in third person. A change is expected, and the most obvious one to anticipate right away is being cold.

Only a small amount of frost damage or fatigue is needed to feel like that expectation is met. Something even more subtle than the whole having to breathe business that's already in the game. Not some annoying ten-second kill, or a suit you have to change into to safely swim. And that is the difference between immersion mods and realism mods.

(...Whereas the chill air doesn't tell me to expect anything, I think because it's scenery and I'm not already interacting with it. Blizzards are in the same mental category as those pretty mountains I can just see through them. They also set in over many seconds, not instantly. So I wasn't ignoring the thread so far with my last post. Though, when I discounted snow damage I actually meant it seemed like it would be harder/costlier to mod, not unrealistic to happen.)

Cold water in a select few dungeons would be worse. That would just add an extra layer of unmet expectations. The ice water outside would still be miraculously safe, but also, I'd suddenly be diving into the only dangerously cold water in all Skyrim for some reason.


I should have added that I like the OP's idea about making NPCs actually want their arms and legs covered in a blizzard.

Hmm I think readying your any flame spell should easily negate the effect.

Which you can't do underwater. And anyway, a fire that small is not going to help your toes any. You like your toes, don't you?

I find that after I play outside for a while, I have to go and get a sweater to wear. Now that's realistic programming!

Well i always play as a khajiit so this wouldnt be a problem for me

I was thinking about this earlier. Were I making such a mod, it wouldn't be nearly so realistic, but I do like the idea of actually having to deal with the cold.

It's a brilliant idea so sick of how my immersion is broken every time I step outside


Really? I can never understand this- no one is forcing you to DL this mod! What are you afraid of? Are you afraid that modders will take up their precious time making this mod? So what? it's their time to do what ever they want! Lol

Besides, this isn't about making it more sim like, it's about making different useless armors and making them actually usefull in this game.

I am not big on hardcoe mods but accounting for temps and blizzard conditions would be a mod I am interested in.

Khajit are actually adapted to desert environments, it is unlikely that they would do well in cold weather. Some of the Khajit you can talk to even bring up how they are uncomfortable with the cold. Cold weather fur is quite different from warm weather fur.

Though, since so many people think fur=stay warm a separate mods version where Khajit are more cold resistant likely need to be made available for players that think that way.

How about a new race? The Frost Khajit -- It has been 200 years afterall

Someone will almost certainly make one, there was a frost Khajit race in one of the most popular race mods for Oblivion, so odds are they will recreate that mod for Skyrim.

And making a mod to add that races cold weather resistance would probably be as easy as adding one variable. If the race has natural frost resistance it might not even need any mod at all.

I would like something lightweight that does not involve inventory management. Frost damage when swimming (to make me think twice about getting in that water), plus a much lower frost damage when in a blizzard. Maybe a warmth buff after spending time by a fire.

Spookyfx made Duke Patrick's Hypothermia for Oblivion, I'm surprised he hasn't appeared in this thread yet.

I'm really liking this game so far, and from what the SKSE team has been saying, Skyrim's new scripting language supports object oriented programming (functions and classes and whatnot) so I'm really looking forward to modding it. Probably going to start with another dynamic timescale mod though, either on its own or as a part of the Skyrim version of Imp's More Complex Needs, which I definitely plan to make. I'll probably only remake ambient temperature if I can figure out how to add the temp readout to the date/time readout in the pause menu, I don't really want to clutter up the hud with stats, it was fitting for a futuristic game like Fallout but not for Skyrim.

I can imagine lots of ways to make it work that don't clutter the HUD. Camera shiver in the cold, intensifies with the degree of cold. Fut a box around the compass that changes color based on the temp, White, normal or simply not there during normal temperature ranges, blue for cold, red for hot. Stuff like that, it isn't really hard to imagine ways to do it, the trick is making them work and look good.

I'm totally not above bumping my own ideas because I want to see other peoples thoughts on them and possibly attract a modder to make them.

I look forward very much to hearing whether Duke has plans for a hypothermia mod.

It must be take quite a lot of work to balance this with all the various resist frost and resist fire magic items, potions, and racial resistances.

For example, if you are a Dunmer and resistant to fire, does this mean it takes you longer to get warmed up again after exposure to cold?

Does the fire cloak spell stop when you go under water unlike the frost and lightning cloaks?

I didn't see this thread when I posted in another about a hypothermia mod I have been thinking of. Essentially, it just deals with swimming, but I was thinking of adapting it to blizzard conditions. Nothing major, as I am one of those people who doesn't like to think about mechanics when I go out exploring. The sequence of event would be as follows:

-- > PC begins swimming and after a while...

"This water is starting to chill you to the bone. Maybe it's time to head for shore."

PC then notices a Stamina drain
PC drinks Mead and Ale for a while to keep his Stamina up

-- > PC Stamina eventually reaches zero

"Your body feels sluggish. Your hands and feet are numb. Time to get out of the water!"
PC may become overencumbered
PC notices Health drain
PC casts Healing spells and drinks potions to maintain Health

-- > PC Health eventually drops to a critical level

"You're shivering uncontrollably. Your muscles aren't working right. You are about to die!"
PC may become overencumbered (if he isn't already!)
PC notices Magicka drain
PC attempts to cast Healing spells
-- > "You cannot stop shivering long enough to cast a spell!"

-- > PC makes it to shore - whew!

"You start to warm up a little."
Overencumbered PC may become unoverencumbered (is that a word?) after a short period

-- > PC rests for a while on shore...

"You feel warm again!"
PC notices Stamina is now regenerating as normal

-- > PC rests a while longer...
[spolier]remove Stage B Burden effect once PC Health and/or Stamina = max[/spoiler]

PC Healh and Stamina eventually reach max

"You are fully recovered from hypothermia."
. Overencumbered PC should become unoverencumbered

Note:
New spell effect: Warmth
Allows PC to swim in cold water
Sold as potions, possibly learnable spell (Alteration), possibly new enchanted items

That's what I have so far. It shouldn't be too hard to tie it to a weather effect, surely at a reduced potency. I'm trying to make it work without making it a hassle for the Player. I know very little about scripting, so I'm not sure what will work and what won't. I figure it's going to be a great intro into the CK for me.

Well, I for one is looking forward to the releases of Immersion mods. I want cold effects, food effects and sleep effects