Oh, do you? Why would I lie?

I used to have a HD 4850. I'd run on high, and get 30-40fps outside and in cities. Now with my GTX 560Ti, I get 60fps outside and 40-60fps in cities. It's common sense that upgrading my GPU is going to mean I get better FPS in terms of the graphical part of the game. My CPU is still a bottleneck, like it is on every Bethesda game with almost everyone. But my FPS has improved dramatically all round.

You don't want to believe that, then I really don't care. I'm just stating my experience.

So you didn't go to intels website and download the necessary drivers that should have improved things considerably? One of the number one performance mistakes made by many users is the lack of properly updating the various drivers for their hard components which can significantly speed up the system by a very large margin.

Another factor is that many users even today still use IDE mode for their SATA systems... (totally counter productive)

There are numerous things are quick changes to the system without involving much work that should have resulted in the vista setup blowing the doors of the xp installation.

Ok im back, system is almost final but one last question.

i5 2500k 3.3ghz (3.6 turbo boost) 6mb cache Hyper-threading support- No

i7 2600k 3.4ghz (3.8 turbo boost) 8mb cache Hyper-threading support- Yes

Is the 8mb cache and Hyper-Threading support a big deal and worth it to pay the extra $100 over an i5 ?

If you only plan on gaming, then go with the 2500k, if you do video editing/rendering the 2600k will help out.

Cheap fans. Replace with a Thermalright 140mm fan. Fits on standard 120mm holes. Noctua also makes a similar 140mm but costs far more and is marginally quieter.



The H80 is NOT just a water pump. The problem is the 120mm rad which needs two high powered 120mm fans to shove enough air to cool the fluid running through the tiny restricted radiator. The reason the air coolers are so great is due to sheer size. They are massive and use larger quiet fans. Superior cooling performance.

If you want watercooling do a custom setup with a huge external Moira radiator and some large fans. The only way to get performance and quiet but it's large and will require some yearly maintenance and cleaning.

Bang for buck, no. The extra cache helps games marginally (fractions of a frame per second). The extra cache and hyperthreading are excellent for large multi threaded applications like rendering, video production, audio rendering and mastering... etc.

Large complex projects.

Im not really interested in a custom water cooler, the only reason i considered those 2 water units over the air cooled is because they are closed units that are prefilled and never need maintenance, i would just as well go with a normal air cooling system and call it done as long as it does the job.

My Antec H20 620 in its standard out of the box format was quieter than a big air cooler and kept the temp under 80c at a 4.6ghz overclock. The fan that comes with it is quite good.

I changed the stock fan for 2 Coolermaster Excalibur fans and set it up to draw air into the case.
Using power management I run the fans at 50% when idling and it will cool the CPU down to room temp. I shut the office door and turned the aircon down to 18c, as the room temp droped so did the CPU temp, got down to 19c before I gave up because I was freezing.
At 50c the fans start to crank up and it gets noisier, nothing normal game play sounds cant drown out and since it only reaches those temps while gaming its not so bad.
At 90% fan speed and full load the temp hovers around 65-67c.

Sure they cant be compared to a custom system but they do the advertised job as good as and in some cases better than air units.
One main advantage is there is no massive heatsink sitting in your case radiating heat so your internal temp drops and case airflow also improves without the big heatsink.

I don't see why you people are whining about fps. Anything above 30fps is not noticeable to the human eye. If the game runs at 30fps it runs smoothly so stop complaining.

That is an often perpetuated myth. If your eyes can't distinguish motion in 30FPS and, say, 60FPS, then good for you. For most of us, however, 30FPS cannot be considered smooth.

That is blatantly not true. Let's see some evidence of that statement. Why are you whining about people whining?

It is a sliding scale...the differences under 30fps are blatantly noticeable. Above 30 less so, but it is there. 60+ differences can be seen, but usually by a 'trained' eye.

If you can't see a difference between 30 and 60, then I envy you...that is a sincere statement.

First off yes if you never dip under 30 fps then that is Perfect and YES a solid 30 FPS is smooth, try as you might you cant deny it, but you CAN tell how much faster and smoother the game runs at solid 60 FPS compared to solid 30, nothing close to comparing say 20-30 , but none the less you can tell, no way around that either.

That being said, i actually find it extremely comical when i see people complain about not getting a constant 60 FPS

Please don't parrot idiotic statements like this.... repeating inaccurate totally wrong stuff like that is just sad...

frankly all posts that state this should just be removed from the internet due to it's total absurdity.