auriels bow has a better effect than any spell on skyrim.

Don't be a senseless brute, not everyone has the same tastes.

I'm not an archer. And this is simply a shame.

Title contradictions...only on the internet

does no one take advantage of the full set of 25% reduction gear? unlimited spell casting and all you need to rank is enchant. half the reason i dont want a magic reform is because i dont want that to be fixed. to be honest, magic is already weak compared to melee and range, and yet you can choose not to run out of arrows.

I'm not a mage, but If a major DLC comes out revolving around one then I'll make a character for it. You might want to make a Archer simply because the Auriels bow is so much fun to use. I got my Shield Character on the hunt for Auriels Shield right now and I can hardly wait to get that into his hands. Wouldn't the the Aetherium Forge be of great interest to a Mage?

Correct me if I'm wrong - I don't have the DLC yet - but a melee character who doesn't have any vested interest in lycanthropy/vampirism doesn't really get anything out of Dawnguard either, right?

In terms of "things you get out of it," Dawnguard really seems like a waste of money for anyone who isn't especially interested in supernatural transformations (a crossbow isn't worth 20 dollars).

? There is way more in the dlc than Crossbows and VLs.
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1390041-list-of-new-weapons/ new weapons
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1390967-list-of-new-armors/ new armors

Plus random encounters, arrow smithing, new locations, and new spells. There is something for everything

I stand corrected. =)

Quite.

One of the problems with releasing the DLC to one platform early is that a lot of the negativity seems to be passed on by word of mouth rather than actual experience. "There's nothing in it", "Vampires wipe out all the NPCs in the world", etc. etc.

Now, I'm not saying it's perfect, because there are a lot of issues that its raised. But I just wonder if early release + forums = a lot of bad vibes about the DLC that aren't really necessary.

NOTE: This isn't aimed at Levanon! Just a general comment.

I see what you mean, just 1 Beth-Hater can halt their sales by telling the PS3 and PC base that the dlc svcks and is broken... the Forums are a dangerous place

Also, whilst I'm not denying the existence of problems, were this out on the PC we might have more factual reports based on Creation Kit content - we would know exactly what the problems were, and how, why and when they occur. As it is it's a lot harder without the CK to determine what is actually a problem and what is not. What people perceive to be a DLC issue may be a problem with vanilla Skyrim they were fortunate enough to miss, for example.

Okey, so getting some restoration anti undead spells and aloot of new conjuration spells (including a undead mount), isent enof for your mage? Theres also a new staff and a crown item that you could use as a mage (offcourse you can only get one of those).

Theres also vamp robes (you can get them on both sides, im not talking about vamp armor).

Quite the opposite. Reading these forums provides an invaluable amount of informations and feedback.

For example, the vampires attacking the city is, for me, a huge problem to the point that I'll wait before getting this DLC. If it wasn't for these forums, I would never had learned about the problem till after buying this software. For once, I'm grateful that Bethesda delayed the release for my platform.

But that's just it. The extent of the problem isn't a "fact". So far, I've yet to experience a vampire attack on a city, and I've been playing for a fair amount of time. Maybe it's something I'm doing that others aren't, who know. Now, I'm not saying other people haven't had the problem...

My point is precisely this: an issue for one or two people gets posted here, then next thing you know it's being taken as a fact that Vampire attacks on towns absolutely break the entire game, and Dawnguard should absolutely never be bought ever.

You get new armor sets, new enemies, new spells, new unique weapons, artifacts with unique effects, an entire tier of weapons that we didn't have before, a new hideout, new merchants, a bunch of new followers, new and interesting dungeon types involving complete darkness and flowing water, and two new large areas to explore. Vampire or no, I'd say that's worth it.

I'll add my two pennies to this; I have played dawnguard for well over 20 hours now, I've seen one single vamp attack in that whole time. The only letter of inheritance I've had came from an NPC I saw get killed by some forsworn.

I'm wondering if fast travel is linked to the regularity of vamp attacks...?

doubt that I mean unless they decide not to make any weapons or armor(cause mages dont use those) just to add a few robes and a few new spells.


there was also the vampire robe and aterium(spelt that wron o well) staff which summons some dwarven automatons.

there just is not alot that you can add for a pure mage except well spells.

I take your word for good but also the word of those who say they have half empty towns. From what I gathered as an observer, it seems that a minority of people is "blessed" and have very rare instances in which the vampires go on killing spree in towns.

Like most Skyrim bugs, they don't impact all the people at the same time. Would you believe? I experienced the "blood on ice" quest bug only on my fourth playthorugh so I didn't understand all the fuss about it.

I'm not interested in vampire or vampire hunting so, for me, the rest of the content is more important... The sheer number of bugs and issues (also introduced where there wasn't any, like Breezehome) made me decide against buying it. I'm glad I could make my opnion before spending 20$. Being an online product, there's no refunding so I prefer to be extra careful with what I buy online.

Bear in mind negative forum feedback can be skewed - if people aren't having a problem, would they specifically post to say they don't have it? I know I didn't think to until insaw someone else do so...

just make a new character if you want the archery experience otherwise I believe more mage specific dlc's might come by you never know.

I see what you mean about buying online. But that would suggest that you would wait until you bought it anway, so the 30 day extra thing (which I think was my original point) wouldn't matter.

As Bieltan says, though, I would be very careful about going off forum feedback. Particularly the extent to which some folks on here scream "broken!!!" at any opportunity.

And not every game or dlc could accomplish YOUR tastes....be patient and perhaps in the future we could have a mage focused dlc....and people that would complain for that on the net of course

Just one beth fan boy can misdirect others

You see, (love the profile pic btw) people are more likely to shout loudly when there is a problem. If we look at the number of people playing Skyrim, and the number of people shouting bloody murder over certain bugs, I am relatively certain (I have not done the research haha I'm too busy PLAYING Skyrim) that the number of people screaming bloody murder will be a minority.

I mean, when was the last time you saw somebody running down the street shouting "My life is fine! I love my wife! My kids listen to me!" No, you usually see the creepy guy from down the street shouting conspiracies, and you usually don't see his clothes either... It's kind of disturbing...