Yes THIS. TOTALLY. I dont get why mages have to invest points in those "novice destruction apprentice destruction" perks, along with all the other schools of magic, JUST TO MAKE IT VIABLE. Without those perks, it means i effectively cannot use magic at all. Its like saying warriors need to invest perks to swing their arm and attack.

And joy, there are 5 of these perks for each of the skills. Even if you only focused on 2 schools that would be 10 levels worth of perks. And thats ridiculous.

It almost seems like they couldnt think of much to fill in for the magic perks, so they decided to go with this "50% mana cost" crap.

you lost stake in the argument when you started being wrong, so

I've played the game on master setting from the beginning. I'll try and explain this to you so you can understand.

On master difficulty level, I would not spend the time it takes to cast a destruction spell because it is worthless in comparison to doing pretty much anything else. It's not that I have trouble getting through encounters. The real problem is the cost benefit of casting a destruction spell at all. They are worthless in comparison to attempting to keep your enemies CC'd or playing a very defensive game while your conjured servant and your follower terrorize the enemies.

Perhaps your problem is that your difficulty is so low that you can absolutely destroy anything in the game while you hit them for 100 damage. I don't know what your settings are at. Either way, just wait a few more levels from where you are and you will start to notice the curve closing in on you. The enemies begin to scale much higher very soon.

No, it's not a fair comparison at all. The only way it could be fair is if he compared the equivalent of damage and used a modified time frame for Destruction since it's damage isn't increased.

The best comparison he could have made was flat out Destruction vs One Handed. No outside factors. Keep it simple, stupid.

I want to be a glass canon

Yeah, it's a sad affair - the whole Destruction magic school. The spells of each tier have different purposes... get a continuous flamethrower at first, get a nice single target spell, get an AOE, get a cloak .. .etc. They should all scale in damage as your skill progresses cause they accomplish different roles.

I tried playing a pure mage but anything than I couldn't stun with dual-casting perk that got close to me was killing me pretty quickly. So I leveled up my Smithing and Enchanting after reading the forums and now, at lvl 33 I'm a proud owner of a full set of Legendary Dragonscale Armor with 25% reduction in Destruction spells and some cool protection to the elements.... And I still feel underpowered. My whole strategy is to spam dual-casting stuns even if I don't do a whole lot of damage. Luckily I have Lydia with a nice weapon that helps out

Oh well... I can't wait for the construction set/kit.

Player level has nothing to do with how tough enemies are.

Confirm / deny?

You didn't say this. No one has EVER said this. I've resigned to the fact that no matter how well you state the deficiency in the destruction skill, you WILL ALWAYS be accused of trying to get away with only leveling that skill, regardless of your character build.

Relying on destruction as a PRIMARY skill is fine. There is nothing wrong with thinking that is your primary combat skill. The game continues to let you think you're going to be okay with destruction as a primary skill, and it works just fine.

Until you hit level 45.

Then the game starts to say that destruction is useless. The kicker is that it happens gradually. Between 45 and 50, you gradually become aware that destruction is becoming less and less effective. In truth, destruction is staying exactly the same, but everything else in the world is getting stronger. It simply stops scaling too early.

This is not a problem for any other combat skill....except destruction. It is a skill with an expiry date. It should come with a sticker that says "Best before level 45", because otherwise it's misleading.

Yeah you can, just not destruction.

I can play a Pure 1H, 2H, Sneak, or Archer just fine, but try to play a pure destruction mage and good luck.

Deny.

The enemies scale with your level while your spells do not.

You lose credibility as a debater when you totally ignore the non insulting remarks.

Well maybe changing the settings to apprentice would even it out some more when i hit 45-50?

Regardless of how right you are, personal insults are both immature AND against forum rules. Just hope that the mods don't see any of this.

No. I see the point. I'm typing out a response to someone else who said the same thing.

Long story short though, even if I had never compared it to one-handed, it's still underwhelming.

please make a YT vid of this so all the whiners can l2p. Thanks.

Well, its the most flashy of all the skills! That has some merit, right? Right?

Yes. There are a number of work around like this. Switching to melee is another one.

The problem is, low level one-handed with an enchanted sword does more damage than high level destruction with the most powerful spell.

If you have to change your difficulty slider just to keep destruction from losing its potency, that is proof right there that the skill is not scaling properly.

Well friend, it seems your hostility requires that I report you.

I did enjoy feeling like a powerful sith lord while using sparks at low levels.

That's just it though.

You guys are calling to buffs that would change the entire game, when your complaint is totally niche.

You are having trouble using destruction effectively on the hardest difficulty, above level ~40, without resorting to use of other magics to support your destruction. All the while comparing it to melee damage using hardly comparable buffs.

You understand why this is so hard for the rest of us to digest?

Man oh man. I used to like coming to the community forums! They've been reduced to 30% legitimate posts versus 70% whining and complaining posts. Haven't seen things this bad since the WoW forums. I'm going to go play Skyrim now, have fun!

itt, mages don't want destruction to scale past level 50, because they get an ego boost from saying its fine.

Did you not read what I wrote? Without using other magics to support destruction?

Just move on if you are going to respond to things you don't read.


I'll bring up the second main point I have about destruction a little later.

One of the Dragon Priest masks+Black Mage Hood+Nightingale set minus the Hood + Dual Shock or Shock and Glass Sword= Instant Darth Revan.

Mages trying to rely on destruction alone is like a warrior trying to use a weapon alone. No smithing, no armor, no blocking.