so lets get this straight..your a destruction ONLY mage. you rely on playing a 600+ hour game soley on one skill??? your only tool of the trade for getting things done is a fireball? or lightning bolt? one simple button over and over and over?

...and your complaining that its too hard to play that way from lvl 40 to 50...?

do you realize how this argument truly makes you sound? have you ever tried slaying a giant with a dagger naked?

now I agree destruction alone is somewhat not on par with other damage dealing skills and need revision. personally I'm all for spell making mods but playing the game as a mage is totally different matter. No class depends on one skill alone no matter their dealing skill is OP or not. I mean a warrior weapon damage is only OP when you "master" 3 crafting skills and a weapon skill right? same thing for armor add that up its 5 skills. If a warrior sticks to one hand alone he is going to DIE even on adept difficulty so many times skyrim is just goint to give up on this dovahkin to save their world.

that's the problem with destruction. if destruction alone is powerful enough to tackle enemy alone even before they can get to you a mage can literally cakewalk the game just with one skill. with warrior even if one hand is good it still needs armor and all other kinds of thing cause it has to be up front the enemy. give mage a ranged weapon that can own anybody? that's what I call broken.

I would fix it, but the damn creation kit isn't out yet. So many dungeons are inaccessible to me due to the ridiculously powerful bosses, and frankly kiting backwards down hallways frantically trying to regenerate magica really doesn't make for a fun game, which svcks because I don't really want to start a new character right now. Especially since with a stealth character I could easily one-shot that same boss with a dagger.

It's like this. If I give warrior shield perks and armor perks and smithing perks in addition to his 1h perks ... he will roflstomp everything. If I give mage armor and shield and enchantment perks in addition to his destro perks, he will be weak. So I have to give him a bit of conjuration ... but if I do that, I don't need destro, since conjuration will kill stuff regardless.

tl;dr If you are a mage, do conjuration. If you want own dps, even as mage, it's better to go melee or archery.

I will restate this again.

Destruction is a DPS skill. I use all the other skills.

More to the point: Go kill that giant in full armor, with you fists. That is what I am talking about.

Warrior: 1 Handed = DPS
Block and Armor = Defense

Pure Mage: Destruction = DPS
Alteration and Restoration = Defense

Since Destruction does not work well at high levels, we lose out of dps, even if we are well defended.

So, get to level 50, then go kill stuff with a iron dagger. Then you will know how we feel.

I believe that a fireball that does 50 damage, dual cast creates 100 damage.. throw in the perk that adds 50% damage extra.. thats 150 dmg so far.. add in the destruction buffs thats at least 4 items up to 25% damage increase each. 150 dmg + another 100% and thats 250 damage per dualcast and thats only from an adept spell.... how many swords can create 250 damage per seconds?

Wizards are super powerful at the end, but magic isn't super-damaging. Mage is a utility class more than a damage class now, and mages have a ton of utility in this game. In fact they have so much utility that giving them insane damage would make them overpowered to the point of being extremely boring.

Sounds to me like there's a bunch of Mage only players that are butthurt there not top dog anymore to bad.

so lets get this straight..your a destruction ONLY mage. you rely on playing a 600+ hour game soley on one skill??? your only tool of the trade for getting things done is a fireball? or lightning bolt? one simple button over and over and over?

...and your complaining that its too hard to play that way from lvl 40 to 50...?

do you realize how this argument truly makes you sound? have you ever tried slaying a giant with a dagger naked?

I just hit 30 with my mage and fireballs are working just fine against the frost dragons that are showing up. Maybe too well, in fact, since impact works on them. I'm not seeing why people are getting so worked up.

but mages have to run like little girls from every enemy in the game.

First off, I do not care if they nerf melee or not. Seriously. I do not play melee characters, why would I care if they are super human or not.

What I do care about is that since there is NO way to bump up the power of destruction magic greater then 50%, your magic quickly starts to feel like you are attempting to kill the dragons with a lighter instead of a fireball.

I love to play a wizard, and I love the trope of wizards being hard in the beginning of the game, but super powerful at the end. If I am shooting bolts of lightning out of my hands they should feel like I am shooting bolts of lightning out of my hands. When people say things like "just use conjuration" or "destruction is supposed to be used for supporting other stuff" I just get annoyed. Why? Because I want to play a freaking elemental Mage who obliterates things with ice lightning and fire.

As it is, by level 30+ my Mage character is already struggling to do enough damage to make him worthwhile or fun. By level 50 I imagine that it will be even worse, since I am already at my maximum power as a mage.

I do not care about "balancing" them with warriors, I am not a min maxer. I just want them to actually be what they are, a glass cannon. Not a glass pea shooter.

Wait a bit longer. They do fine damage early on, but as you run into tougher enemies, they will NEVER get stronger. Enemies will get progressively higher health, and destruction magic will not keep pace.

That's just it though. This is how the elder scrolls games have worked. You can't use the same spell against all enemies and have
it do more damage. You are responsible for getting more powerful spells. Which is tougher with the removal of a spell creator, but not
impossible. You are jaded if you think you should be able to kill top level enemies with starting flames spell.

Also, your argument loses steam when every other person in these "buff magic" threads says that destruction magic is working fine
for them. It would be different if there was a general consensus, but there isn't.

Mages need to use EVERY magic school to be effective instead of specializing in 1-3, which is imbalanced to Warrior/Stealth.

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Another reason this argument is stupid is the idea of being forced to utilize other schools of magic to be effective, whereas warriors and stealth characters are not.

Warriors only need 2-3 skills to be completely overpowered: Weapon Skill of choice and Armor Skill (2), or One-Handed, Block, and Armor Skill (3)
Stealth only needs 3 skills, One-Handed, Archery, and Sneak, they don't even NEED to invest in armor. (Hell, they can get away with One-Handed/Sneak and Archery/Sneak making it only 2 skills to be overpowered)
Mages need to use EVERY magic school to be effective instead of specializing in 1-3, which is imbalanced to Warrior/Stealth.

I know for a fact you can make an effective end game mage without needing to use all of the spell schools. You are exaggerating.

You break your entire post with this paragraph right here.

You say "Another reason this argument is stupid is the idea of being forced to utilize other schools of magic to be effective, whereas warriors and stealth characters are not."

Then you say "Warriors only need 2-3 skills to be completely overpowered" and "Stealth only needs 3 skills"


1. You say mages need to rely on magic, other than just destruction, to be good.

2. You say warriors need ~3 skills to be good.

3. You say stealth needs ~3 skills to be good.

In your own words, you say that all three playstyles need more than one skill to be effective. While trying to argue that mages shouldn't have to rely on any other skills to be effective.

How can you not make an effective mage, with one or two more types of magic in support of destruction? Your post says the very same works for stealth and warriors. So what's wrong
with mages doing the same?

I know for a fact you can make an effective end game mage without needing to use all of the spell schools. You are exaggerating.

I share in this opinion; there seems to be a bandwagon of "Destruction is under-powered because it can't keep up with a clearly broken, and heavily abusive crafting exploit!"