Dunmer and the Thalmor : V - Skyrim

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:35 pm

The best way to sugar coat it would be a small box with two cats. One cat is leftist, & the other is rightist; but neither plan on sharing the same box.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:28 am

So technically the Dark Elves and the High Elves are the same race just different colors due to who they worshipped

Not exactly, the Dunmer used to be Chimer b4 they betrayed Azura, they weren’t Altmer.

From what I know, Chimer had a negative history with the Altmer. Religious freedom and all that. In Morrowind the Dunmer acknowledge the accomplishment of the Altmer but perceive them as largely irrelevant in the world. There is no kinship/love between the races. There is also a fugitive in Skyrim that needs to get away from the Thalmor and chooses Morrowind as his destination.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:10 pm

altmer and dunmer hate each other, and the altmer want to get rid of all non-altmer, so its safe to say that any dunmer that wants to live will not side with thalmor

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:05 am

The Dumner are in a strange position.
They have no love for any of the factions involved.
The Empire only had house Halalu as anything close to loyal in Morrowind.When the Argonians were curb stomping them the Empire did nothing
The Nords and Dumner have had a long bloody history between them so there is no love lost
The Thalmor as pointed out aren't fond of the Dumner at all.

Best bet is to wait for all three groups to pummel each other into submission svcker punch the winner and start a new age of Dumner rule

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:59 pm

The Dunmer are definitely not fans of the Thalmor, their biggest opponent right now is the Argonians who have taken over Southern Morrowind. I'm pretty sure their goals closely align with those of the Empire, but you have to remember the Dunmer are not a united force and each will act pretty much independently.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:34 pm

So technically the Dark Elves and the High Elves are the same race just different colors due to who they worshipped

No, they are both descended from the same race though, the Aldmer. However, they have changed over time into separate races, and you should remember that. The Chimer were similar to the Aldmer, but they were changed again into the Dunmer, changing their physical appearance and presumably some other things, such as height and voice, although these may have just been the result of a couple of thousand years of separation. To clarify though, they are definitely not the same race, unless you consider all elves the same race. More importantly, there is a big difference in culture and ideology.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:41 am

So the Dunmer stance is whats good for the motherland. If the Thalmor attack Morrowind we will join the empire to drive them out of Morrowind and thats it but if the Empire attacks we will join the Thalmor to drive the Empire out. Pretty much whats good for them.

The Empire controls most of Morrowind(Dunmer Province) so they can't really invade themselves. Anyways, at this point I think the Dunmer are ok with Imperial rule in Northern Morrowind, they are more worried about Argonian rule in the south. As for the Thalmor, they would never align themselves with the Thalmor under the current circumstances.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:33 pm

I'm not sure where I read it, but I believe it was something I picked up in the main questline. I am pretty sure there is something that straight out states or strongly infers that the Thalmor engineered and supported the whole argonian attack on morrowind. So no the dunmer and the Thalmor (which are a faction within the Altmer) do not get along.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:44 pm

The Empire controls most of Morrowind(Dunmer Province) so they can't really invade themselves. Anyways, at this point I think the Dunmer are ok with Imperial rule in Northern Morrowind, they are more worried about Argonian rule in the south. As for the Thalmor, they would never align themselves with the Thalmor under the current circumstances.

No the
Empire never ruled Vvardenfell Island. They had a ceasefire/peacetreaty that gave the Morrowind coast to the Empire but the Tribunal would rule Vvardenfell under Imperial law. There been some forts but not a total military presence. The Argonians pretty much stole Morrowind from the Empire after Vvardenfell got largely destroyed when the Red Mountain exploded.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:15 am

The dunmeri are considered cursed and tainted by the Aldmeri.....and since the Thalmor are an extremist sect of the Altmer, it stands to reason that they dislike them even more. Religion, magical practice, politically, just about every cultural issue are almost diametric opposites. As I've said before, I wouldn't doubt that that the Hist borne invasion of Morrowind wasn't engineered by the Thalmor, magically. The dunmer were their greatest threat. They can live as long, and they -think- like elves. The concept of century long plotting is second nature to a dunmer; where a human would really have problems wrapping their mind around plans that won't come to fruition until their great grandchildren were aged advlts. Homeless and broken, the dunmer are now little threat to Thalmor plans.

Or at least =they= think so. If the Thalmor were responsible for the Argonian invasion by proxy, if that truth ever comes out, it would pull the dunmer in exile together into one cohesive unti. Hellbent on revenge. At all costs. And considering some of the daedra they willingly play marbles with, such a state would be........scary.

From Rising Threat, Part IV

While Morrowind and the Imperial forces in Black Marsh were still reeling from the consecutive catastrophes of the Oblivion Crisis and the destruction of Vvardenfell, the Thalmor incited the Argonians to mount a massive uprising. Black Marsh and southern Morrowind were completely lost to the Argonians, but luckily the Thalmor too lost what influence they had over the reptilians.

Thats the claim of an Altmer dissident anyway

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:22 am

No the
Empire never ruled Vvardenfell Island. They had a ceasefire/peacetreaty that gave the Morrowind coast to the Empire but the Tribunal would rule Vvardenfell under Imperial law. There been some forts but not a total military presence. The Argonians pretty much stole Morrowind from the Empire after Vvardenfell got largely destroyed when the Red Mountain exploded.

The Empire did rule all of Morrowind. The Tribunal, primarily managed by Vivec, surrendered Morrowind to the Empire under great terms for them like allowing slavery and religious worship of both the Tribunal and the good Daedra in return the Empire did not have to fight the Dunmer and they got the Numidian which was later used to beat the dominion into obedience.

Anyway, to the Thalmor the Dunmer are probably worse then any human could ever be. It's one thing to be an idiot and part of a lesser race it's another thing all together to personally choose to stop following the right path and start worshipping evil incarnate.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:11 pm

I play as a Dunmer, and RP as a Boethiah worshipper. But that doesnt mean I agree with the Thalmor's banning the worship of Talos. One of the major reasons for the Chimeri exodus was religious freedom. The irony of many Dunmer abandoning Daedra worship to start worshipping the Tribunal is not lost on me. If Tiber Seprim had been an Altmer the Thalmor would have no problems with people worshipping him.
Did some Dunmer keep slaves, especially Khajiit and Argonians whom they considered to be "lesser races"? Yes, but in Morrowind I would always free slaves that I came across. Nobody has the right to claim dominion over another sentient being. So I do not agree with the Thalmor's views on racial superiority. And I was saddend at reading Lymdren Tenvanni's journal, to see what had happened. When the novel that discussed the events of the Red Year got mentioned on the UESP forums, I was hoping the book wouldn't be canon, and the events would not be reflected in Skyrim.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:20 pm

Thalmor vilifies the Dunmer but note that there are also a lot of Altmer who vilify the Thalmor.

If you are RPing Thalmor characters, it's either Altmer or Bosmer.

And Bosmer can be anti Thalamor/anti-empire as well....

They weren't exactly assimilated by choice

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:26 pm

From Rising Threat, Part IV

Thats the claim of an Altmer dissident anyway

HAH!!!

I must have missed vol. 4 of Rising Threat. I just hope in the next game they take this into account (Hell, wanna top Dovahkin? A champion is chosen by both aedra and daedra to deal with the Thalmor menace before they -do- unmake the world.....and quite a few deities with it); or at least have a substantial secondary quest/plot thread in TES VI that lets us get into the Thalmor and do as we see fit. And please make them a credible threat.....

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:28 pm

The Dunmer Hate the Aldmeri Dominion.

EDIT: As do most Bosmer. As someone said, they weren't assimilated into the Dominion by choice and the Thalmor use them like parasites, thinking even their closest cousins are below them. The Altmer purge Valenwood regularly I believe