[Rob Smith]

The Marukhati are a group of lore fans and obstinate monkeys who delight in the fantastical and obscure histories of Tamriel, and seek to right the potential errs of TESO in such places as have not yet been visited in the core games. Unlike many who intend to close their eyes and ears to these new heresies, we recognize that there is no cramming the genie back into the bottle, and have decided to involve ourselves as directly as possible so as to bend this world back in the direction of the one we are familiarly unfamiliar with. We also hope widen the consciousness of the playerbase at large with Vehk's Sermons and the various liturgies and scriptures we may find appropriate.

With the beta upcoming our opportunity to reach heaven by violence is coming to a critical stage, and so activity is ramping up. In the last thread we made significant progress towards hashing out the potential names of our client guilds, in the event that they will be necessary. With the Covenant being the only one with a http://www.tesof.com/topic-camlorn-historical-integrity-movement, I have remade the poll with the strongest candidates for the other factions.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1371463-what-will-we-do-about-elder-scrolls-online/ http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1371583-this-is-what-well-do-whirling-scrolls-online/ http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1371656-tes-online-lore-and-marukhati-collective-discussion-merged-similar-topics-thread-3/ http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1372476-the-marukhati-collected-whirling-scrolls-online-pt-iv/ http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1374510-the-marukhati-collected-whirling-scrolls-online-pt-v/ http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1380124-the-marukhati-collected-whirling-scrolls-online-pt-vi/ http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1419619-the-marukhati-collected-whirling-scrolls-online-pt-vii/ http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1435491-the-marukhati-collected-eight-times-the-charm/

Below is the eternal and infallible list of potential members, honorary members, official enemies, future detractors and probable spies. I'm striking out names as people vote, and will maintain a tally at the bottom.

Merari
Umpteen aka Amnevelas Voru
Fiore1300
SeriousFace
Albino Dunmer
Sul-Sharnabittipath (myself)
Merry Eyesore the Elk (I'll assume he's still in)
ALKENO
Fhynrood
FloorBelow
Arclath
PeteAtoms
zen1966
War_Psyence
Croatoan
Girai_Harkaanius
TheGlassPrison
TengenToppa
Vincent McCool who started the original threads
Divinatus
AdoringFan
J'Rah
Haute Queteure
themp3
Alduin the World Eater
Tedril Veri
NordJitsu
Hlaren ShortSheath Belavanni
Commander Phoenix
Neradac
the2crow
Mustakettu85
OPGreenback
Marathon
Tabbycat
pieman313
Expresate
Rial
Commander Fensom
Drekkan
Kourumi
BlackRaven117
Istralith
Terloim Uvirith
Sythirius
Don't forget this
dbcification
Adaqueril
Naryn_tin-Ahhe
Selthri
Rosveen
Frank the Bunny
9kcrits
Spacemarine88
dr_brooker

Whirling IIIII II
ministry IIIII II
KoV I

two moons III
mirror logic IIIII IIIII

[Allison Sizemore]

By Shor's Bones! Thread number eight plus one? Have the stars aligned? What an auspicious thread!

[m Gardner]

And we're back again. And good work on the opening paragraph, even if it is the same as last one, it's short and informative. It appears that we are now simply the Marukhati; the Collective-from-Selective has given birth to itself stronger than ever. And the addition of "undaunted" is certainly pleasing to the eye. The whole system almost reminds me of that time when the First And Forgotten Aldmeri Dominion artificially induced a Wild Hunt aboard the sunbird SMIS Liege with the intention of delivering the resultant Old Bone mass upon the rebellious shimmering litters of Sucrosanct Lleswe'er. Or was that the time when the heartlands were conquered by a band of desert nomads who could only pronounce "Hoon" and "Ding"? Anyway, I haven't got anything to add, save that the Marukhati remain among my favorite things ever and I firmly believe we can ride this fervor all the way into ZOS's Tamriel, hopefully later this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21230691

[michael danso]

Talos approves of your title.

[Jason Wolf]

The Marukhati are a group of lore fans and obstinate monkeys who delight in the fantastical and obscure histories of Tamriel, and seek to right the potential errs of TESO in such places as have not yet been visited in the core games. Unlike many who intend to close their eyes and ears to these new heresies, we recognize that there is no cramming the genie back into the bottle, and have decided to involve ourselves as directly as possible so as to bend this world back in the direction of the one we are familiarly unfamiliar with. We also hope widen the consciousness of the playerbase at large with Vehk's Sermons and the various liturgies and scriptures we may find appropriate.

Not trying to troll here... but what do you mean by this? Involve yourselves how? Change what direction?

[luke trodden]

Not trying to troll here... but what do you mean by this? Involve yourselves how? Change what direction?

We're going to obtain all of the elder scrolls to keep them them from the filthy hobbitses ignorant masses who have been lied to by the snake-faced Boethiah Lorkhan Zenimax Online and crown Michael Kirkbride as emperor of should-be-jungled-Cyrod; all of this while monkey-screeching Tam! RUGH! at the top of our lungs.

As to how we are going to do this, good question. What exactly is going to be our strategy?

[Kristian Perez]

Should the Marukhati join under the name Marukhati throughout Tamriel despite the boundaries of alliances, what use shall we put the Chosen Names such as the Historical Movement to? Shall they be filled with us, wearing people-masks over our monkey-masks? Or relinquished to Dagon such that they may be destroyed properly?

[lauraa]

We're going to obtain all of the elder scrolls to keep them them from the filthy hobbitses ignorant masses who have been lied to by the snake-faced Boethiah Lorkhan Zenimax Online and crown Michael Kirkbride as emperor of should-be-jungled-Cyrod; all of this while monkey-screeching Tam! RUGH! at the top of our lungs.

As to how we are going to do this, good question. What exactly is going to be our strategy?

Safeguarding the scrolls is only one facet of our grand scheme, we also intend to sermonize in the streets and already have an ever-growing list of planned crusades, parades and disturbances aimed at both making an image for ourselves and informing/reminding the playerbase of the Fiery Truth. The more people agree on the finer points of the lore, the stronger our voice. As said in the OP, the beta will also be a critical time to attempt change from within by asking the tough questions of the devs, and pointing out the inconsistencies as loudly (but constructively!) as possible. For example, opening a thousand tickets to bug-report the fact that Cyrodiil isn't a jungle would be fun, but not particularly productive. Kindly informing via twitter or any other means given us to communicate with the devs on things they should and can reasonably change will go much better for us, much more so if a significant number of players agree. Likewise, putting MK on the throne would show what a force to be reckoned with we are.

[rebecca moody]

Not trying to troll here... but what do you mean by this? Involve yourselves how? Change what direction?

Any time the direction of the lore goes left of where it should, we will holler like monkeys until something shifts it back to being right.

[Kate Schofield]

I don't know about you all, but I plan on collecting and reading every book in the game to make sure it either matches the existing game books for that time period or makes sense with the lore to the best of my ability. As to what I shall do when I discover errors, I have no idea. Probably post them in our thread.

[Gracie Dugdale]

speaking of misalignment in lore, I checked the USEP for what we're working with in 2E, and it looks like we already have an incongruity.
The formation of the Aldmeri Dominion is listed twice, and eso is supposedly taking place during the former. Idk if this is just a USEP incongruity or if the dates listed are already established somewhere.
According the the PGE, the dominion wasn't formed until two and a half centuries later, when the Thalmor established a presence in Valenwood to combat pirate threats.

Confirmation, anyone?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Second_Era

[Steph]

TESO retconned the currently known formation of the Aldmeri Dominion and instead made the initial Dominion the Second Dominion. Now there are three different Dominions.

I don't get why they didn't just call it something else.

[Chrissie Pillinger]

I don't know about you all, but I plan on collecting and reading every book in the game to make sure it either matches the existing game books for that time period or makes sense with the lore to the best of my ability. As to what I shall do when I discover errors, I have no idea. Probably post them in our thread.

Oh hell yes, thats the first thing that came to my mind when I heard of the game.

asking the tough questions of the devs

"Thank you for your report, now is there anything else you can tell us to help improve the quality of the game?"
"Yes"
"Go ahead"
"Do you have a moment to talk about CHIM?"

[hannah sillery]

They didn't call it something else because they're establishing some form of precedent. Most everybody who has played Skyrim has heard of the Aldmeri Dominion; it's something familiar.

And I'm certain that they'll bring the Thalmor into it. How could they not? As I've said before, Online could tell the story of the Dawn of the Thalmor, and TES: V or TES: VI could tell the story of the Death of the Thalmor. Even if TES: VI turns out to only tell of their death through the history books.

[Alexis Estrada]

They didn't call it something else because they're establishing some form of precedent. Most everybody who has played Skyrim has heard of the Aldmeri Dominion; it's something familiar.

And I'm certain that they'll bring the Thalmor into it. How could they not? As I've said before, Online could tell the story of the Dawn of the Thalmor, and TES: V or TES: VI could tell the story of the Death of the Thalmor. Even if TES: VI turns out to only tell of their death through the history books.

honestly, I kind of hope they leave the Thalmor out of it, because they would no doubt feel the need to have a kinder cuddlier Thalmor than the occultist numeronazis we know them as, to make sure Aldmeri players don't hate them as much as their enemies.

Though they could be at this point a strictly offensive force that dominion players never see, while harassing the pants off the other two factions, but it would be much more difficult to build an appreciable amount of characterization if they were just baddie npcs.

Should the Marukhati join under the name Marukhati throughout Tamriel despite the boundaries of alliances, what use shall we put the Chosen Names such as the Historical Movement to? Shall they be filled with us, wearing people-masks over our monkey-masks? Or relinquished to Dagon such that they may be destroyed properly?

Being that the Integrity Movement is my own pet project I'll continue it either way. Whether we can use the same name across factions or not, it's been confirmed possible to join multiple guilds with a single character, so we could still potentially make use of them under the Marukhati umbrella, perhaps as smaller specialized forces, ie Daggerfall material gathering and crafting guild, Daggerfall pvp battlegroup and tacticians, Daggerfall lore awareness and consciousness expanding taskforce, etc. There would be a lot of overlap, but it would be a clear way to segregate play styles and maintain focus for each.

In other news,

I noticed this morning when making the new thread that at least a few randoms appear to have voted in our most serious and official poll. How do the self-selected feel about this? Should we take measures to ensure our final decision is entirely representative of our members' opinions?

[мistrєss]

And we're back again. And good work on the opening paragraph, even if it is the same as last one, it's short and informative. It appears that we are now simply the Marukhati; the Collective-from-Selective has given birth to itself stronger than ever. And the addition of "undaunted" is certainly pleasing to the eye. The whole system almost reminds me of that time when the First And Forgotten Aldmeri Dominion artificially induced a Wild Hunt aboard the sunbird SMIS Liege with the intention of delivering the resultant Old Bone mass upon the rebellious shimmering litters of Sucrosanct Lleswe'er. Or was that the time when the heartlands were conquered by a band of desert nomads who could only pronounce "Hoon" and "Ding"? Anyway, I haven't got anything to add, save that the Marukhati remain among my favorite things ever and I firmly believe we can ride this fervor all the way into ZOS's Tamriel, hopefully later this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21230691

If we simplified it any further would we be simply Meht?

*snip*

In other news,

I noticed this morning when making the new thread that at least a few randoms appear to have voted in our most serious and official poll. How do the self-selected feel about this? Should we take measures to ensure our final decision is entirely representative of our members' opinions?

If they vote in our poll, does that make them self selected?

[Alexxxxxx]

If they vote in our poll, does that make them self selected?

Every now and then you say something that just completely changes my whole perspective. This is one of those times. Hoping for them to select themselves in any meaningful way though, would be like herding cats on skooma.

[Benji]

If they vote in our poll, does that make them self selected?

I think they are. But they should still swear the oath (how long does it take) if they voted in the poll after all how are we otherwise going to know how many of our members (who have pledge themselves to our cause) have voted.

[lucile]

I think its important that we remain the Marukhati Collected.
It is the name given to us by the prophet Elk that we plan to put on the throne after all.

Each subdivision can have its own monniker such as for the Ebonheart Pact: Marukhati Collected: Whirling School.
Or for the Daggerfall Covenant: Marukhati Collected: Camlorn Historical Integrity Movement.

[jodie]

I think its important that we remain the Marukhati Collected.
It is the name given to us by the prophet Elk that we plan to put on the throne after all.

Each subdivision can have its own monniker such as for the Ebonheart Pact: Marukhati Collected: Whirling School.
Or for the Ebonheart Pact: Marukhati Collected: Camlorn Historical Integrity Movement.

That's how I was thinking it was going to be.

[le GraiN]

I think its important that we remain the Marukhati Collected.
It is the name given to us by the prophet Elk that we plan to put on the throne after all.

Each subdivision can have its own monniker such as for the Ebonheart Pact: Marukhati Collected: Whirling School.
Or for the Ebonheart Pact: Marukhati Collected: Camlorn Historical Integrity Movement.

Actually, the Elk didn't give it to us, Lady N did. And it was the Selective, not the Collected: that was something of a mutation in the titles of the threads.

Anyway, as I said before, I'm content being a member of the Marukhati [thing], but won't season that any further with factional dislocations. I like the idea of the CHIMovement being a secret front for the monkeys and outright denying any involvement with the Cyrod-eel Marukhati.

[Marta Wolko]

@Umpteen

The faction monikers might be necessary though.

There is still no word on cross-faction guilds. Guilds will need unique names. Thus, while we will remain the Marukhati Collected, we need unique names to actually form guilds in the game.

[Bethany Short]

So what's our take on this:

Firor gave the example of Auridon, home of the High Elves. “The Elder Scrolls IP is very down-to-earth and gritty, so we had to take the traditional ‘these are high elves’ fantasy visuals – tall towers, white marble, landscaped terrain – and merge them with the grittier and more medieval-realistic (there are poor High Elf farmers, etc.). It came together very well.”

Source: http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/elder-scrolls-onlines-game-director-explains-how-youll-be-a-standout-badass

Doesn't sound that nice, after all the complaints regarding ESO and TES lore, that Firor still describes it as "down to earth."

[Beat freak]

My initiall reaction: Is he only aware of Cyrodiil and Skyrim because Morrowind wasn't that much down-to-eart with its people living in dead creatures and giant mushrooms, but of course he knows about the other TES games. Then it sounds like they didn't want to go after previously descriptions of for example Summerset Isle (made out of glass or bug-like wings) later they felt that it wouldn't feel like elves and so they made their architetural style into a more generic (read tolkien) elven style.

[Jynx Anthropic]

Seems that someone out there only sees "Lord of the Rings" and "A Song of Ice and Fire", and careful gradients between them. This is not where you want to be when you are working on a treasured and complex IP with millenia of history under its belt.

So yes, I am bubbling o'er with bile. The world is corrupt and we must occupy each and every point so that it is invisible and unmade beneath a scaled blanket of moth-winged simiforms.

Edited on for brevity: Can I just say that I think Auridon is a terrible name. Go and see if ZOS knows the meaning of any of these words: "Ehlnofex", "conlang", "etymology". Then again, meanings of names have often worked backwards in TES. It's just a shame to do it deliberately, when in TESO we're looking directly at the Summerset Isles, rather than in peripheral vision.