I agree with this completely and I fail to see why people keep starting new topics on a daily basis about pricing for TESO, until Zenimax announces it we won't know, simple as that. btw I prefer subscription to play with NO CASH SHOP....and that comes from my decades of experience playing MMO's and paying for them in every single pricing category ever devised by any MMO developer.

I think it should be barter trade. One chicken a month, or a cow for a full year of play time.

I think I have Deja-vu...

People need to get over it, no game on this scale has ever been f2p or b2p. It is and will be subscription based and rightfully so.

Same. Starting with UO in '97 and playing just about every MMO I could get my hands on free or not. Subscription with no cash shop is my preference. Hopefully this will be the case.

Buy-to-play, eh? When you're not paying a monthly fee, you lose something you don't miss until it's gone: the developers giving a damn about you. They already have your money, so who cares if you quit? And because there is no guaranteed income flowing in (the cash shop--which WILL be there because nothing is ever truly free--is "optional"), the teams working on new content and bug fixes will be minimal. The game may start off wonderful, but sooner or later people will see what's really going on, and they will get louder and louder as time goes by. But all of it will fall on deaf ears. The bottom line is, you get what you pay for. You pay 60$ for a game, you get a 60$ game, not an MMO that will last for years and be worth your time.

Prime example. I got stuck three different times in NWN. I could not finish the dungeon, could not even move from my spot. /stuck did not work at all. No chance of a GM to come help you, EVER!

lol, how'd you manage to get stuck 3 times?

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The bottom line is, you get what you pay for. You pay 60$ for a game, you get a 60$ game, not an MMO that will last for years and be worth your time.[/quote]


An elder scrolls game at $60 lasts for years. Most non elder scrolls games last about two months. So still only charging $60 which is not the price I'd want a buy to play at I'd personally want it at $99 though $40 is likely the price it will be but I'd pay 100 maybe even more for a game like this. So saying that a game that like elder scrolls can't be played for years unless it is ESO then that is ridiculous on your part.

Once in blood and sand dungeon, I jumped down into a pit and there was an invisible wall. Another time I was clearing a castle, and fell through the floor, right at the end. Third time, I was bashed back over a pile of junk. The junk was in my way of getting back into the main part of the room.

TOR didn't care if you were subbed. You were boned regardless of how much money you threw at them. They didn't even read your tickets before sending you an automated decline response that has nothing to do with your problem*. They rarely fixed bugs and they could have trained sloths in computer programming and have them design new content before that team could release a 3 line script error fix,

The company has to care in the first place. It doesn't matter about the payment model, a company with good policies will assist you and be higher quality regardless. I'm not advocating guild wars, but their content is quality [ for their game ] and regular far more than some pay to plays. Even Cryptic releases content at a steady pace. Some may not like their content, but for their regular players it is manna that falls from the heavens every other week.

*I once submitted a ticket for hacking, a Sith was on the Republic Fleet killing people (an instanced area it was impossible for the other faction to reach). My guildmates and I provided the date, time, location and player name and class. I received an automated response a few days later that said roughly "You should not have rolled on a PvP server." I have several of these stories, but this was the most frustrating.

Yes, they cared right up until they decided to change SWTOR to free to play with a cash shop. Before that they said subscribers would never have to pay for updates and then they released an update that included a new planet and some other stuff and suddenly its no longer an update its now an expansion and all subscribers had to pay for it. 99.9% of all MMO developers will get greedy as soon as they open a cash shop.

For instance Neverwinter, which just went into open beta, allowed early access if you wanted to pay them $199 USD, or $59.99 USD. This got you about 3 beta weekends before open beta and a maybe a week of early access to open beta. As an Alpha tester they asked me to test their in game cash store and comment on it, many of us told Cryptic repeatedly that they had everything in the store priced to high and the prices are the same now and did not change. I posted in Alpha forums that if they actually hired someone who understands how to retail that would benefit them in the long run because if you price things right 99% of your customers will actually spend more money then if everything is over priced, again it all fell on deaf ears....greed had set in and the price was the price.

I don't know bout neverwinter, but EA was always greedy. In my opinion they stole subscriber money and rode it out as long as they could knowing they were going F2P early on. They released very little and didn't fix much at all.

Both PWE and EA are known to be greedy, its hard to choose which is greedier, One makes p2w even on singleplayer games, other doesnt even care spending %0.1 of the money they get from game for improving that game.

its cryptic which makes Neverwinter awzum and PWE makes Neverwinter p2w

I hope its not F2P or B2P.

I think ive played almost every MMORPG since 1996, starting with Meridian 59 and its easy to see that F2P games have lower Quality and mostly not worth the time.

Its a bit different in Games where produced as P2P and endet up being F2P. They have at least some Quality and can be fun. Most of them just had a bad release and Peoples jump off the first weeks.

I cant think of a F2P or B2P games ive played more then 3 month. Thats nothing for a MMORPG.

If the game is good im happy to pay a mothly fee for Years, as i did in Meridian 59 (3 years) EQ1 (6years) DaoC (2 Years) Wow (5 Years) and some more. I even had 2 or 3 Subscriptions most of the time.

I dont really understand the Problem with a monthly fee of 13$ or something around that. I pay more for a Cinema Visit and thats just 2 Hours of Entertainment.

Heck i pay more money for Citadel Colors in the Warhammer Shop to paint my Miniatures each month

If you cant afford 13$ a month you have more serious problems then how spend your time in a Game.

Most elder scrolls fans want buy to play. Most mmo fans want subscription. That's the problem and that's why I believe my suggestion could work well.

You can't compare a SP game with minimal upkeep to the cost and upkeep of an MMO. I just don't understand what some of you don't understand about that.

the elder scrolls is my second favorite franchise (GTA being first) but i also like to play mmo games and have been subbed to at least one without major interruptions for at least 12 years now(not sure exact time frame) so i dont know where i would fit? i have never played any mmo sequel but i have played the last 3 TES games with xpacs/dlc. i like to say i am a fan of both as i think a lot of people here are and probably have the same game time or more than i do with TES and mmo. all being said i feel sub is best for mmo.

I would join you here. Ive played all TES Games. Starting with Arena and Daggerfall soon after. I still want a subscription since i want a Quality Game and no Cheap Trash Product.

Ah yeah. That issue.