Ok ive been loving the singleplayer.

i started playing the multiplayer deathmatches today.. to my dismay there's cleary "cheaters" throughout the gameplay already.
you know when the match is fair, you can just tell. and when things go and upset that cohesive balance you can tell people are already cheating in this..

what i have gathered thus far exist.
. Aimbots
. Speedhacks
. WallHacks
And something ive never seen before where people appear to be floating near the ceilings of rooms, so far just the regular height hallway type rooms but still something odd there.
I hope there's patches coming, or dedicated servers. i want to play this and Enjoy my time in it. not get frustrated like i am with certain other online shooters...

. i didnt write down names or anything yet, but getting footage will be my next endeavour. im not ranting here, i just think those out there ruining the fun for everyone need to get a life.
the last match i had i started as a spectator, and could clearly see the player moving at a heightened rate of speed, like these short turbo boosts of speed with a slight gap in there where they "could" be shot by another player. the ones in question did die on occassion so they dont have God Mode at least..

And i know im not lagging, im moving at a very smooth rate, but at least 45% of the players ive gone up against so far appear to be using these 'Tricks' to get the edge over the rest of us.

This needs to be adressed somehow and those responsible to get there steam accounts banned.
yes, there's reporting to steam, when i get the hard evidence* ill show that to steam, but if anyone else is having the same things happening to them please comment here.

For once i'd like to play a multiplayer shooter WITHOUT people ruining it for the rest of us genuine people out there., But you still see those websites up that support this behaviour and i dont know why they cant be traced and fined or taken to jail, or Something at least.

ill keep trying to have fun but this is very frustrating.

OK PEOPLE.
IVE GOT A SOLID LEAD ON ONE.

just played against this guy. jiggins
i even used the "Bandicam" to record 10 minutes of proof.. the first few minutes i was a spectator following him. and when i upload the video soon you'll see how fast he's moving,
how he has absolute control over the match and how other people who join have left shortly after. i fought him after but i COULD NOT beat him even once. i am not that terrible.
so remember guys jiggins

man if nothing gets done from this proof i think ill stick to the singleplayer, and leave "people" like that to end up with noone wanting to play with them.

ill be uploading video proof asap and then issuing that proof to steam.

i wouldnt make this up, anyone else seing such blastphemy in the multiplayer??

dont forget there are d3 veterans ive played doom for 8 years about your hacking writing there not hacking

speed hack lol look up strafe jumping it helps you move faster in game

aim bots no we just got damn good aim!

wall hacks no we can hear you plus have a genearal idea where you are going do to the fact of health, armor,etc ingame B!Z3

my youtube is bizei23 look at some of us that played original d3 before you start crying hack !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPyvQ_84KB4&list=UUQEj1tKWQUh8Oz2R_O-SB-Q&index=28&feature=plcp

This is why playing games on console is better....Microsoft doesn't mess around when it comes to cheating. Plus Xbox has it's own version of punkbuster like software that scan's your Xbox right when you connect to the Live server.....PC's are MUCH easier to cheat on because its ALL up to the developer of a game of what to do when cheating happens.

or better yet watch this from 1 of are d3 tournemants http://www.own3d.tv/fr4Gmat1C enjoy !

noones cheating they are useing there skill that they have learned from playing d3 for many years fact is you wish these guys were hacking but there not they just have played doom 3 before !!!

I have to agree, nobody's cheating.
I've played the veterans before. They are good, but the more you fight them the more you become able to kill them. Learn their techniques, they really know how to do things.
There are no speedhacks, there are no aimbots.

Recording someone powning you doesn't prove anything, and in fact, like the video above, a gameplay recording will only show us how good YOU are, or aren't.


Nonsense. The original Doom3 has punkbuster, and no one cheats. Only the non-punkbuster servers get edits and changes, but that's nothing to cry about if you chose to join that server, you know, you would have no one to blame but yourself.

I do agree though that PC games have some REALLY good players when it comes to Quake style FPS's and such.... I have had my day ruined many of times by the skill of PC players who greatly out skill myself.

Dude I know just how you feel, lol. See, this one day I was powning good on a match, I mean I was winning by 20 or so, and I knew something was wrong... I knew I wasn't playing any pro. So the next match this guy joins, and then I'm the one behind by 15, and everyone else by like 20 and such.

YEP. It's just that the people that have been playing forever get really really good. I've learned good tricks, where the glitch spots are, and how to go about tricking the enemy. But no matter what, the veterans will always be veterans. It can indeed ruin someone's day, lol. I don't rage quit, I keep playing and rage as I do xD

a friend and i tried playing quake live for ~a week...but theres no way! those guys all seem to have been playing since 96!

it's amazing though how much more skill-intensive fps games used to be i'd like to give it a go again here soon, it's just so depressing going 3/30 every game...and those were my good games. if youre one of those guys - props. and stop hitting me in the face with rockets from across the map.

how can everyone be so nieve as to there are zero cheaters.
a bunch of good FPS's are ruined right now because of this and yet they don't touch doom? for me to bring this up is when ive exhausted everyother option, and i truly believe this person was cheating.
its like looking at the other cheating proof for the other games out there on youtube that is undeniable and adding this to the list, you cant say people are THAT good. i get people get really good, but theres good and then there's superhuman abilities that no other player can reach, would you tell me homefront is not being hacked? i dont think so. my fun there has been severly hampered too. and the proof i have for that some people still like to deny it as proof.

yeah 20 years ago these things werent such an issue but now any fps game out there you cant look at the leaderboards and go wow that guy at the top is really good, because theres a 50/50 chance he/she is using cheats to obtain this.

i wish theres were zero hacking. things would be genuinely fair all around and you wouldn't be able to clash with the fact, but we all know how things go these days.
i cant show peoples exact "screens" that there typing in wierd commands that enable these things or whatever it is that does this stuff.. but when you have conclusive video evidence how can it be denied?

Im aware that it's a subject that needs to be handled with care, as people who are not being hax shouldnt be in trouble for nothing. But this stuff happens and should the rest of us just deal with it?
Its always the same. pretend it doesnt happen and call the guy who's reporting this stuff names (not you guys but i was called all sorts of names last night in the game) or make him/her seem the fool.

as much as im aware of the fact, i think the truth has to be told and if that pegs me as a dobber so be it.
I agree i have a ton of learning to do in doom 3 Multiplayer like knowing the levels inside and out etc, but im regularly in an multiplayer shooter of some sort, i know what it takes to use all the basic tactics, and alot of the time even with all that knowledge you still cant get a vet sometimes at all. like they constantly know where you are at all times. where that is genuine veteran badness i can respect that, but people exploiting these cheats and having the nerve to act as they are gods of doom should get a hobby, like leave the online games completely and stop bringing down the funfactor that these games are good for.

Yes i love doom, i thrashed it back in the day, and unfortunatly til recently i havent been able to play it again. do i feel at a loss compared to the vets out there? yes. But im complaining with genuine reason.
So please see this from my point of view too as im not knocking the vets, but the trouble-makers out there who feel the need to cheat.

anyone who wants to test my "in game mettle" here who's a beginner or a vet feel free to add a friend request through steam to coheedandcambria82 then i can create matches and add you to them,

thankyou.

great, ' can't even get into a match at the moment.
how the &^%$ can one even hope to get better when the game doesnt let you play?
so if im right, is all i can do just click quick match or find match, then choose a type of gameplay, and just wait in an empty lobby until the servers decide to let me in?

noone joins my hosted matches so i cant play and learn by myself either.
And regarding

@ bizei23 : speed hack lol look up strafe jumping it helps you move faster in game*****
Ive tryed doing this ... jumping and strafing. i still dont move half as fast as the person i said is cheating.. explain that? and your at the leaderboards at number 2?

id be happy with number# 25 if i could get into matches enough to actually reach that.

you have to be good at strafe jumping to strafe jump....
its not an immediate thing

was just playing against spell & norobi sum such.. played for awhile there but its hopeless.. norobi whatever he's called kept jackin the invincibility pickups and when i killed him he'd always spawn right back next to me afterwards..

oh well some days are better than others. one thing i could be great at is making multiplayer levels with the editor but i gather there isnt one for this?

ALSO:

spell killed me just before i left, i had the 200 HP + armour, he killed me from nowhere and my health said -999 in red text.... Is that possible?????

were you standing on a teleporter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYCLwr63C4 it took me years to master strafe sir! also note that players with a higher fov setting will appear to be moveing faster they are not but it looks like this do to the fov settings not sure if you see another players fov in spectate or not but this can most likely be it.

the multiplayer match making in this game is a big part of your complaints i believe im pretty sure you notice games were you are host it feels much smoother doors open like there suppose to but a game were you are not host doors lag 3-10 seconds not opening on time like they should and same for the lifts, pings of 200 or more is pretty hard to play in it throws things off in the game even down to the weapon change and hit detection .

and there are maps on original d3 to help learn strafeing but they do not work on bfg yet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82RIsBYByY&list=PL2E6A7D49E413C69D&index=2&feature=plpp_video

power up spawns spawn every 3 minutes, weapons +armor spawn every 20 seconds !

clearly this video shows the lag and the pings i started with 200 ping and as match went along the pings got higher this is unacceptable for competitive play as match making is broken has anyone esle found a match were all the players have decent ping i think not but most likely found matches with one 0 ping and the rest had sh*tty ping do as im doing and email bethesda support with me to get these issues fixxed competive play just isnt possible in this game current state !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUx3HCa2ebA&list=UUQEj1tKWQUh8Oz2R_O-SB-Q&index=1&feature=plcp

I will say there are some cvars that remain uncapped. It is very easy to turn off shadows, for instance. Just a heads up.

I would also say (as I have said in other threads) that the console networking basically makes this game unplayable for competition.

Again, I doubt this.

There ARE people so good they seem unhuman to people of lower skill, and it's actually easy to anticipate where your opponent will run to once he's out of the room, and then anticipate if they'll run back. Also there is a whole art of causing "fear" and making people think you know where they are.
Really, I get the feeling you would think I'm a hacker as well, and I'm not even a veteran, but I can indeed stand my ground against them, sometimes very well, loosing by not so many kills.

And yes, it IS possibie to die in a good, straight shot when you have 200 health. This happened to me when I was playing in a LAN match here at home, so no hacking was involved. Max armor is sometimes more important than max health, and even better is having both.

Unfortunately I have non-steam Doom3, I don't think we can be in the same servers. If I had this one I'd gladly challenge you, lol. But yeah, don't think people are hacking. Yes I know lots of games are being hacked, especially combat arms, that game is hacked to hell. But Doom3 has never attracted enough people to multiplayer to make someone want to hack.

There are tons of tricks to getting good at the game, and intimidating as well, making your opponents run. Like I said, I only have the original, non-steam Doom3. If you had that I could show you some neat stuff.

Retail D3 and Steam D3 (not the BFG edition) can play together. Steam D3 is identical to 1.3.1 with the addition of the dependency on Steam. Everything else is the same.
There were some OpenGL wall hacks for Doom 3 back in the day, and I recall there being one aim bot but I'm pretty sure that never had much impact. Some of the top online D3 players are scary good; their movement and map control is phenomenal.

But, are these also compatible with the BFG edition? If so, that would be great.

@ foxygutmeir: No i was not on a teleporter. when i got killed with the -999 health hit, i was in what's it called hellplay? or something like that. with the castle like interior with alot or red & black themes, lava gaps in floors with steam coming out of them, the one where you can get a 200Health orb if you climb up that blocky structure without falling off it. ill have to play again to remember the exact name. but where you can look past that blocky thing and go down a short hallway and see a boudblebarreled shotgun across a small platform that you have to jump to to reach, turn left instead of jumping, and walk across the path with various gaps in it, then you can drop down somewhat onto a thin ledge.. there you are situated in an alcove of sorts, where you'd see if anybody came from the left.. and to the right you can see well off down the hall towards a set of stairs and just to the right of the stairs is i think a dead end. theres no "killcam" to see what happened, but i was killed without seing him. maybe he looked down before falling to that ledge? thats all i can think of. but i dont know of anything if that match that lets you kill someone who has well over 100 armour + the 200 HP orb in one hit and have there health read -999?

@bizei23: as far as i know the fov was the same as me. in spectating i didnt see more of his gun than i have etc, yes ive used these settings in DNF and remember seing more of that shotgun etc, but not here, there was no difference to me. & yeah afew matches ive done i can read that im killed like 5 seconds before i die.. like ' oh yeah this is so awes..... wait im dead lol.

@Vynzent: Yeah if we can get into the same match would be kool. im not one to judge someone as a hack for no reason. and in this game i admit the reasons for that are short at best.. its not like homefront COD etc where you have to level up* to obtain the better guns etc.. so exept for the leaderboard its a basic free for all without those things.. which is a blessing, as those games are more fraught with hackers that make it a very slow road for the newcomers to obtain the "good stuff". sometimes here though in these matches apon killing a tough opponent i find they usually like to call me names and such, most of the time im not recording matches so i cant really prove that.

getting low on credit til next week, so ill have to show this *video then. at the moment its 380+mb's and 10 minutes long. my prepaid credit has to last me for my studies at the moment.
doing a course for "retail" right now. so i can get some decent work while my dream of being "level designer" somewhere will have to wait down the line somewhere as i still dont understand the 3d programs to well
but i can make good levels and such. Take a look at some of my old work here** http://forums.duke4.net/topic/3743-my-city-level-is-underway/ This was disbanded due to my foolishness to not backup my work back then properly & my own unhappieness with how it was going at that time. i hope to re-start it when ive finished my kamdoon *skyrim mod*.

this game needs dedicated servers like it originaly had ive played on european servers on original d3 and had way less lag then im haveing from a player liveing 1 state away from me on the bfg edition atm the multiplayer needs fixxed ded support added to make competitive play possible !

And this is rather strange, the Rage multiplayer code has been amazing in my experience, I never lagged. Then again, I guess it's because they are dedicated servers.
But yeah, they need to kick up some dedicated servers, at least for some time, they really should, it would be cool I mean. I don't think they will, since this game is still focused on single player, but it would be a cool hope though.


I think BFG edition uses Rage's network code. Damn :/
Well I will get the BFG edition at some point, and then I can try a match. Of course by then you might have gotten some major skill, lol, meanwhile I only play Doom3 online once in a while now. I've been playing alot of Killing Floor lately...