If you turn into your VL form and turn back it cleans the face.

Is this 100% true? If so, then I am so dissapointed with Bethesda. :\

My female vamp lord doesn't have a dirty face =/

Yeah and I have to cure and obtain vampirism over and over just to use the face changer.

I had a thread similar to yours, and that was the constant response I received, along with the people saying "VAMPS SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THEIR FACE STUPID HERP DE DERP".

Guess which one I was more inclined to believed?

yeah, i dont mind if my char ges a little fugly, but the super dirty face is unacceptable.

Idk, all this makes me wish I could get this on PC, mods n stuff. I would have the smexiest vampire girl ever. >.>

Omg, why am I saying this, I love Xbox and will not get this for the PC ever. -.-"""

Bethesda please fix the problem with the face sculptor and Vampires. Pleease, for shallow people with OCD like myself. ;-;

Well that totally bites! Not that I generally stare at clevage but you know the dirt is only on the face? I looked at those pic's a couple times and while the before has a glare, in the after pic the umm clevage is nice and pink still. So maybe darken the skintone and make cheek's darker on top, perhap's add a tat that cover's part of the face? along with a colored eye shadow? In Riften. I know it svck's if your chars already a Vamp.

I don't know just throwing thing's out. I know I tend to use the palest skintone for my "girls", and the "dirt" might not show up as starkly on a slightly darker skintone.

You could do it like me. Buy it on pc for the mods but play it on xbox if your not using mods xD (I own skyrim for both xbox 360 and pc).

Someone mentioned two different movies as a reason why Vampires shouldn't look the way they do.

One word, Nosferatu.

Pretty much ruins your argument.

You mean the movie that was originally supposed to be a screenplay based on Bram Stroker's Dracula but they couldn't get the film rights? Let's look at the facts:

1.Vampires in Skyrim can blend into society. They can't realostically do that if they look like corpses
2. Serana, Harkon, and some of the generic vampire enemies look decent enough.
3. In their true form, they already ARE monsters. Seems redundant that their mortal form would HAVE to be just as ugly
4. Not everyone who wants the face changer wants to he prettier. Some want to change their hair. Some want to look SCARIER.

Go look up the Volkihar lore. They don't or aren't supposed to blend in with society. That's a Cyrodiilic trait.

P.s, Vampires have only been pretty since Hollywood got hold of them. Traditionally they're monsters like any other.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, (that or I looked over the posts too fast), but the dirty face is a glitch.
You get it when loading a save on a vampire with eyeliner, eyeshadow, or any face coloring. Turning into a vampire lord and turning back can remove it.
Before 1.6, there was a way to remove it, but now the VL way is it.

Actually, according to lore there are many strains of vampirism that can blend in, like the ones in Valenwood. And do you really think people knew everything about every vampire clan 200 years ago? Even now? Of course people wouldnt know volkihars can blend in. They've only seen them in their true form.

And no. That's not true. Vampires have taken different forms in different folklore. In European folklore they're demons who possess the recently dead. Therefore they haven't even decomposed yet. This is because people were buried before they died without the buriers knowing, so they saw "dead" people walking around and screamed "VAMPIRE"!

Dracula is traditionally portrayed as a charming, handsome man who seduces his victims.

What, like we don't know about mythologies from centuries ago?

I'm not even going to continue this debate, because you're not using logic.

Wow you obviously misunderstood my post because that's not what I said at all. I meant that how could we know everything about the volkihar? You think they have no secrets? It's obvious they can blend in whether you want to believe it or not. Immortal blood is a book. The author obviously didnt know every secret about the volkihar since we see them blend in all the time. Serana for example.

I know I said I wouldn't but:

The Volkihar depicted in Skyrim is lore breaking. Much like everything pertaining to Skyrim...

Because one book doesn't tell you everything about the volkihar it has to be lore breaking? Look I understand that you dont like the direction they took the volkihar (I sort of agree) but to call it "lore-breaking" is innacurrate. I dont understand why people think Immortal Blood is infallable. It didn't necessarily get everything right about every clan.
Regarding volkihar breaking lore. Consider this: vampires in the world of Nirn are shrouded in myth, folklore, and half truths. The majority of npcs in oblivion don't think vampires can EVER see the sunlight. In the book "the locked room" the author apperently believes that vampires pass out once the sun rises, only to awaken when it sets. So you see, there's a lot of falsehoods and misconceptions and simple unknowns about vampires. Whose to say that certain aspects of the volkihar were just largely unknown ane scarcely written about. They seem to be very clever and powerful and likely hid their presence. The Cyrodiilic vampires aren't the only ones who can take human form. If you're well versed in the lore you'd know that some vampire tribes are shapeshifters / bodysnatchers and take the form of children they feed on, only to live in that person's family, waiting for a moment to strike. Long story short, it's easy to find these guys a place in TES lore.

I see what you're getting at, but you're fighting something that is written in the game with conjecture and second guessing rather then other actual facts. Other then the Developers are slack and made no attempt to differentiate between the Cyrodiilic clan and the Volkihar.

It's an Occams Razor type scenario IMO.

The Razor dictates that it was a poor design choice, yes. I'm simply trying to explain to you that it can still fit in with existing lore. So, with things the way they are for better or worse, why shouldn't my vampire be allowed to change his hair? Or make his face scarier?

I'm not saying that as a game, you shouldn't be allowed to. That is a little absurd (especially considering it was packaged with a Vampire DLC).
But simply that given my understanding of the Volkihar and the only credible source of information about them prior to this DLC, is that they aren't pretty, they're twisted monsters who can reach through solid Ice to drag their victims to their deaths.

What we got, was the Cyrodiilic clan, with a Vampire lord transformation. It left me with a distinct "wut?" sensation.

It only really fits, if you choose to completely ignore anything prior to the DLC or pretend something happened that didn't (The author of Immortal blood talking crap)

I partially agree with you. The backwards feeding mechanic is stupid and I wish they would have shown us more about Volkihar culture as it was shown in Immortal Blood, but there are still many logical ways to make it make sense. The author wasn't infallible, especially considering the subject matter is steeped in folklore and half truths, not to mention thaf things change in 200 years, even for vampires. It's not difficult to interpret it in a way that makes sense.

Once again though, I ageee it is annoying.

Now let's get back on topic.

Once again though, I agree that it was annoying seeing how

Thats really weird my claire looks the same ish

Before

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/daveclisle/2012-03-21_12-24-09_18-1.jpg

After

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/daveclisle/2012-07-01_08-25-28_143.jpg

Well that's because of the "Blood Potions" When ever they turn to stage 2 or more they either drink a potion or feed. Why do you think everyone at Castle Volkihar looks normal?