Forum Grammer & punctuation?

Post » Sat May 12, 2012 6:48 am

Sorry that you cannot receive positive reinforcement and acceptance in all places, but we, the CD community, have standards. If you don't like having to write properly, stick to texting your friends and Facebook.
We do?! :mellow:

I mean; we do, *we* do.

In the south of the Netherlands we have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sittard, which I've heard is better than standard, because you get to sit.






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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 9:27 am

Using proper spelling and grammar helps people understand what you're trying to say. However, nitpicking about typos and minor mistakes is asinine.
Pretty much, this. This isn't an SMS text message or a tweet...you're posting to a public forum, so you should at least make an attempt to post something that other people will be able to understand. Otherwise you're wasting everybody's time. It is a little irritating to try to read a post in which the author couldn't be bothered to even use punctuation. That said, it's silly to knit-pick so long as the author has made a sufficient attempt to be understood.

Who cares really, a lot of things in the world are annoying. But, because people on the internet are protected by anonymity they lack the common courtesy all people should have, when dealing with others.
While I mostly agree, I also consider expecting others to read their mindless jibber-jabber a "lack of common courtesy." If someone wants people to read their posts they shouldn't force others to struggle with their meaning simply because they were feeling lazy. In that situation I just tend to get lazy myself and ignore their post. :P I mean, why should I put forth the effort to decipher their post when they weren't willing to put forth the effort to make it intelligible?
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 9:56 am

I actually appreciate it when people correct me on my grammar.

I don't judge people who aren't as cautious about their grammar as I am, but I do understand the people who are bothered by it.

It only really bothers me when it's obviously not out of laziness or a typo, but instead pure ignorance...

It's their, as in "I went to their house" not "I went to there house" :shakehead:

This.

I pride myself on being literate...I won't lie, it really bugs me when I see a post on here that's completely 'grammar-free'. Everybody makes spelling mistakes once in a while, no matter how literate they are. I also understand that English is a second language to a lot of people on here, so there will always be a few mistakes that can be attributed to that.

But if I see a post that doesn't contain any commas, full stops...hell, sometimes they don't even start with a capital letter! I'll just skip right over the post...

That may be a bit elitist of me, but if somebody came up to me in the street and started talking crap, I'd probably switch off too!
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 11:07 am

Pretty much, this. This isn't an SMS text message or a tweet...you're posting to a public forum, so you should at least make an attempt to post something that other people will be able to understand. Otherwise you're wasting everybody's time. It is a little irritating to try to read a post in which the author couldn't be bothered to even use punctuation. [...]

While I mostly agree, I also consider expecting others to read their mindless jibber-jabber a "lack of common courtesy." If someone wants people to read their posts they shouldn't force others to struggle with their meaning simply because they were feeling lazy. In that situation I just tend to get lazy myself and ignore their post. :P I mean, why should I put forth the effort to decipher their post when they weren't willing to put forth the effort to make it intelligible?
That's pretty much my own opinion regarding the matter. It's rather reinforced by my experiences of attempting to decipher such contributions, which is that they're seldom very informative or rewarding, so it's not as if it's even effort well spent.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 12:39 am

I tend to take people less seriously if they don't bother to spell things correctly and use grammar.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 10:10 am

I can find it hard to take someone srsly wen dey tak laik dis, though if they have a problem I can help with it won't stop me from helping me.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 2:58 am

Because spelling, grammar, and punctuation are all habits. If you use them incorrectly, and no one ever points it out, there's a chance you will forever type/write/speak ignorantly. (That is to say uneducated, not stupid.) This became painfully obvious when my goddaughter typed up a report for school using butchered English and actually thought it was appropriate. This is by far my #1 pet peeve. My friends and family know that if they text me, they better take the extra time to spell out words. If there is a "u" instead of "you" or "r" instead of "are", I delete the text and don't bother reading it. I find no excuse for being lazy when it comes to this.

And if you get upset because someone corrects you, then you're just proving that you prefer to be lazy and ignorant over being even remotely educated on this subject.

As for definitely - I actually use to spell it 'definately" until this past year. In my defense, I am a HORRIBLE speller (I still can't spell restaurant without a spell checker or google) but I would rather someone point out my mistakes so I can learn and fix them then to continue to type/write like a fool.

So that's why I use correct grammar and such. Why would you prefer not to use it? I can think of no valid excuse.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 6:25 am

I like to have good punctuation and grammar, it makes me feel my posts are worth the spot they take :) It really isn't about how formal or educated I want to feel, it is just something I do, you know?
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 1:01 pm

Because spelling, grammar, and punctuation are all habits. If you use them incorrectly, and no one ever points it out, there's a chance you will forever type/write/speak ignorantly.

Well it takes approximately 28 days to form a habit. So the sooner they get started the better! :hehe:
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 4:01 am

Because spelling, grammar, and punctuation are all habits. If you use them incorrectly, and no one ever points it out, there's a chance you will forever type/write/speak ignorantly. (That is to say uneducated, not stupid.) This became painfully obvious when my goddaughter typed up a report for school using butchered English and actually thought it was appropriate. This is by far my #1 pet peeve. My friends and family know that if they text me, they better take the extra time to spell out words. If there is a "u" instead of "you" or "r" instead of "are", I delete the text and don't bother reading it. I find no excuse for being lazy when it comes to this.

And if you get upset because someone corrects you, then you're just proving that you prefer to be lazy and ignorant over being even remotely educated on this subject.

As for definitely - I actually use to spell it 'definately" until this past year. In my defense, I am a HORRIBLE speller (I still can't spell restaurant without a spell checker or google) but I would rather someone point out my mistakes so I can learn and fix them then to continue to type/write like a fool.

So that's why I use correct grammar and such. Why would you prefer not to use it? I can think of no valid excuse.

In texting, I don't know if some people still have plans by the character use, but back in the day people were charged per character, so it cut down on costs. Nowadays everyone has unlimited texting plans, so it could just be a throwback, and then people just get used to seeing peers type that way as well.

Personally, I notice when people spell things incorrectly, but I learned a long time ago not to say anything, or else you just look like a jerk if you do it all the time. I mean, I may have penciled in a correction on a supervisor's letter to the employees above the time clock for everyone to see, but that's different :chaos:

Calling people trolls doesn't seem a proper retort, though. Why put a label on people that isn't even derogatory and put it on people that probably don't even fit the criteria for troll anyways?
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 12:13 pm

well if it is so bad that people cant understand then yes,it most likely deserves to be flamed.
other than that i really dont care too much about grammar and stuff on the internet,i save that for school.

and you would get a warning/banning if you did flame them, flaming any one for any circiumstance is against the rules of this forum, and being a grammar nazi is specificly pointed out in the rules you all agreed to when joining this forum. (the reason being this site is international and not every one are native english speakers. by trolling them over punctuation mistakes or poor sentence you could very well be discriminating some one for being foreign, by accident hopefully)

Report those people. Moderators don't like it either.

this: alot of the newer members have a tendacy to spam over spelling errors or even in this thread suggest that people who post grammar and spelling errors deserve to be trolled, and i think maybe not enough of them read the rules before joining.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 4:11 pm

I am very guilty at typing horrible runons and improperly using a homophone. I never understand how the heck I type out a homophone, my thoughts after reading through one of my own posts with one usually are something like "what the heck? What was I thinking when I typed this?"

I think it's all because I'll type as I would speak, where there is no differentiation between homophones and runons are very common. When I realize I've done this, I'll usually edit it out (though not always for runons, as I'm too lazy to correct them).
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 9:46 am

Well over in the Skyrim forums it's different. I imagine that’s where you came from eh?
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 2:06 am

Sorry that you cannot receive positive reinforcement and acceptance in all places, but we, the CD community, have standards. If you don't like having to write properly, stick to texting your friends and Facebook.

but he did not say that you or any one should accept it, he said you should either let it slide and read it for the content of its message or just ignore it altogether.

i find it odd that people would say it takes too much effort to read a post that has some poor grammar, but then why is it the case that they go through the extra effort to qoute a peice of bad grammar and post a "fixed it for you" post? sure if you were a teacher or in person it might come off as helpful, but other wise it comes off as patronizing.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 9:10 am

but he did not say that you or any one should accept it, he said you should either let it slide and read it for the content of its message or just ignore it altogether.

i find it odd that people would say it takes too much effort to read a post that has some poor grammar, but then why is it the case that they go through the extra effort to qoute a peice of bad grammar and post a "fixed it for you" post? sure if you were a teacher or in person it might come off as helpful, but other wise it comes off as patronizing.

In my experience, 'fixed it for you' posts are usually used to dismiss someone in an argument, and are rather uncalled for unless the person being fixed was hypocritically policing someone else's posts. Also, people who type badly do usually get ignored, though I seriously doubt that was their expectation when they posted in the first place. I don't give advice on grammar or spelling unless it's asked for, but I'm not going to respond to (or even read, most of the time) something that appears to have been typed out with one's face, if that makes sense.

Even the Grammar Gestapo tend to take it easy on people who aren't native speakers (who will often say they are non-native speakers). In a perfect world, native speakers would all type as correctly as possible, making it easier for non-native speakers to find references for what they want to say. On that front, 'it is what it is.' People who are on their mobile also generally get a pass on these things.

Obviously, in any medium where being concise is more important than grammar (twitter, fast-paced gaming, limited texting plans, etc.), the rules of written English take a backseat. This is totally acceptable. In a medium where you aren't pressured, and have plenty of time to write it out, it just makes more sense and is more desirable to the community for it to be done right. For example, if you were to go into most role-playing forums, one of the cardinal rules is to use proper English ( dialogue and accents aside). People don't like to RP with a person too lazy to write out a clear post, because it's not like there's a big hurry. If you can make it in the RP forums, you can make it on any board. <3 And the same mechanics apply.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 8:44 am

As long as posts are coherent and make sense, as well as the use of punctuation marks, then all is well. Absolute professional grammar is nice, but unnecessary in a game forum.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 9:51 am

Why do so many people care about punctuation and grammar for forum post?? These aren't essays... they are supposed to be free flowing conversations. But if you have a post that isn't pretty much edited by your college english professor people always troll the heck out of you. This coming from people that use twitter and text where its basicially pigeon english?? I just don't get it.
Unfortunately every group has it's losers, and this swath of them, no matter where you go, seems to have nothing better to do than pedantically correct other posters, even when they can plainly understand what's being said. Interestingly, outside of the internets, you don't see people walking up and in the same manner correcting someone who has an accent or uses participles incorrectly, they'd be told to [censored] off, especially if it involves someone who doesn't natively speak the same language. Sadly, the rules don't permit telling someone to [censored] off here, but I make sure to do it elsewhere.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 9:21 am

Interestingly, outside of the internets, you don't see people walking up and in the same manner correcting someone who has an accent
I used to get that all day, every day for years on end where I used to live. It seems to vary by area, though; and the people in that neck of the woods were fairly obnoxious for the most part.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 4:05 am

Interestingly, outside of the internets, you don't see people walking up and in the same manner correcting someone who has an accent or uses participles incorrectly,

However, if you get someone babbling you'll most likely ignore him.

You can't help it when you get annoyed by things like this on the internet.

And like I said, it's not just spelling mistakes, it's consistently typing like a buffoon which is annoying.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 3:24 pm

A dON't s3E Wh4t T3H Pr0B1leM 1izZ, Illetierate fols.

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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 11:36 am

I don't attack anyone for their grammar, unless they've attacked someone else for it and made a mistake while doing so. And everyone makes mistakes. But that's not because I don't think good grammar matters. I think not caring about grammar is worse than caring too much.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 10:35 am

but he did not say that you or any one should accept it, he said you should either let it slide and read it for the content of its message or just ignore it altogether.
By letting it slide it or ignoring it we'd just show tolerance for bad grammar. My point being that most of us regular users here on CD do not tolerate bad grammar because, as edothermos said:
In a medium where you aren't pressured, and have plenty of time to write it out, it just makes more sense and is more desirable to the community for it to be done right.
A minor semantic argument (my use of acceptance instead of tolerance) could work for you, mirglof, but I assume you know what I meant.

I understand that this is very much a blanket statement, but after a few years here it seems well founded. Just look at this thread, for example.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 11:25 am

For a number of reasons.

1. Like it or not people with some sense of grammar are taken far more seriously in terms of debate or general credibility aka ethos because it shows some sense of education and/or standards
2. It shows that you care enough about your readers and their ability to receive your message to go with the extra little effort in formulating your written materials
3. It looks good on a application

Mind you however I myself do not claim to be by any means of the word an expert on grammar often editing my posts repeatedly however so long as the message is easily understood enough I don't really mind. However there are certain things that should be common knowledge (There, They're, Their, et cetera) that bother me but otherwise unless you are writing text or 'leet' speak I don't really care.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 1:53 am

I think it's really important to use proper grammar, it's much easier to be taken seriously that way and have a civilized debate/conversation. I don't claim to be perfect at writing english, but I do find it amusing that I sometimes seem to write much better than some english native-speakers..
I would expect that if you grew up speaking and writing english you would pretty much be fluent in it. It's probably lazyness and other factors, but I dislike when people don't make an effort trying to post a good post.

What I like about this forum (especially the community discussion board) is that pretty much everyone is capable of writing properly, which makes me happy! :tongue:
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Post » Sat May 12, 2012 2:19 am

Remember that to us foreigners, english is not our mothertounge. I myself speak 3 languages, several dialects and uses two somewhat different norwegian written languages. Do not expect my grammar to be perfect. Erginho knows what I am talking about.
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