When i start the game, the bethesda screen comes up, but it crashes every time the first load bar comes up. I'm using OBSE 18 to launch.


WB load order:


00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
04 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
05 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
06 Better Cities Resources.esm
07 CM Partners.esm
08 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.5]
09 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0A Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
++ MOBS SI.esp [Version 1.2.2a]
0B MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a]
0C Better Cities .esp
0D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0F Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
10 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
11 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
12 IWR-Lights.esp
13 IWR-Windows.esp
14 IWR-Shutters.esp
15 Living Economy.esp
16 Living Economy - Items.esp
17 Cutthroat Merchants.esp
18 Landmarks.esp
19 DLCHorseArmor.esp
1A DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp [Version 0.90]
1B DLCOrrery.esp
1C DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
1D DLCVileLair.esp
1E DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
1F DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
20 ALE_Armure_Legere.esp
21 EY_Vampirehunter.esp
22 StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
23 LC-Compilation-Exnem.esp
24 ExnemWarriorBikini.esp
25 BlackRogue.esp
26 Vampiress Armors For Exnem Body.esp
27 DLCThievesDen.esp
28 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
29 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
2A Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
2B FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2C Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
2D FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
2E Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
2F FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
30 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
31 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
32 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
33 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
34 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.5.5b3]
37 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
38 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Fransfemale.esp
39 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
3A DLCFrostcrag.esp
3B DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
3C Knights.esp
3D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
3E Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
3F Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
40 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
41 Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
42 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
43 Automagic Bags.esp
44 Poison Arrows.esp
++ Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
45 _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
46 CM Partners.esp
47 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
48 CM Partners NPC.esp
49 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
4A CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
4B CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
4C pizz's BeastTaimer.esp
4D CM Partners Fayle.esp
4E CM Partners Xu.esp
4F Sher Ja Lion Companion.esp
50 Better Cities Full.esp
51 Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
52 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
53 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
54 Better Imperial City.esp
55 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
56 IlluminationWithout.esp
57 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

You should be using OMOBS and not MOBS. Do you see missing masters in Wrye Bash? You should not have red or orange check boxes. Try regenerating your Oblivion.ini. Also, if you use DarN UI, make sure you had added the fonts to your Oblivion.ini as well.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/outdatedmods

Hello Tom, nice to chat with you again.

I've been using Dark Darn UI with no issues, so I didn't think of it as a problem, but once I disabled the OMOD i was able to get back into the game again. Still having random crashes though.

Have no idea about Oblivion.ini, in WB, Fonts, ~Default.ini is checked with a yellow box. EDIT: Well, it was 'til I right clicked the window to see what options were listed then the .ini listing reordered itself and the box turned green.

I have OMOBS dl'd, but not installed.

EDIT: With OMOBS, do i use OMOBS.esp AND OMOBS_SI.esp or just OMOBS_SI.esp since i have Shivering Isles installed?

OMOBS needs to be installed. I do not understand why it is sitting around while you have the wrong stats rebalance in your load order. The WB fonts do not matter. Check the instructions on your UI mod. You have to make certain changes to the Oblivion.ini, and you should do that after regenerating the Oblivion.ini. What OMOD did you disable? I assume that means you "deactivated" it. Please, make these changes, and then I have a few other suggestion for stabilizing your setup. Are you using OBSE? If so, which version are you using, and what OBSE plugins are you using? Please list your system specs as well: OS, GPU, CPU, Sound, RAM. Include model, speed and capacity.

Edit: List your no-plugin mods as well.

okay, will take me just a few to get this all listed. will edit here.

EDIT:

I was using MOBS instead of OMOBS as they both looked the same and I already had MOBS installed.

PC:

Gateway GM5626. Vista Home Premium 32bit. 3gig RAM. Intel P4 2.4ghz Dual Core. ATI Radeon 4600 512mb. Default sound. 500gig HDD.

I disabled DarkUId_DarN_16_OMOD_Version-11280. As i said, it wasn't giving me any problems, but once i disabled it this morning while troubleshooting, i was able to get into the game. Have been using this mod for a few days.

OMODS:

Automagic Bags 4.0
Better Cities 4.5.1
Better Cities Resources 4.5.0
CM partners 2.0
Female EyeCandy Body Replacer 1.0
Harvest Flora 3.0.1
Illumination Within Revived 092
Less Overpowered Night 1.1.14917
OBMM Idle Pose Replacer 17237
OOO COMPLETE 1.33 (have the 1.34 update, but wasn't OMOD)
Stock CLothing and Armore for Exnems Complete 1.0

No Plugin Mods:

Sephs true acrobatics
Sinkpoints Martial Arts

OBSE version 0018


Current WB load order:

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
04 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
05 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
06 Better Cities Resources.esm
07 CM Partners.esm
08 OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
09 OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
0A OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
0B Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.5]
0C DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0D Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
0E Better Cities .esp
0F Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
10 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
11 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
12 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
13 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
14 IWR-Lights.esp
15 IWR-Windows.esp
16 IWR-Shutters.esp
17 Living Economy.esp
18 Living Economy - Items.esp
19 Cutthroat Merchants.esp
1A Landmarks.esp
1B DLCHorseArmor.esp
1C DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp [Version 0.90]
1D DLCOrrery.esp
1E DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
1F DLCVileLair.esp
20 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
21 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
22 ALE_Armure_Legere.esp
23 EY_Vampirehunter.esp
24 StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
25 LC-Compilation-Exnem.esp
26 ExnemWarriorBikini.esp
27 BlackRogue.esp
28 Vampiress Armors For Exnem Body.esp
29 DLCThievesDen.esp
2A DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
2B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
2C Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
2D FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2E Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
2F FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
30 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
31 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
32 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
34 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
37 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
38 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.5.5b3]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3A Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Fransfemale.esp
3B Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
3C DLCFrostcrag.esp
3D DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
3E Knights.esp
3F Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
40 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
41 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
42 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
43 Automagic Bags.esp
44 Poison Arrows.esp
++ Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
45 _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
46 CM Partners.esp
47 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
48 CM Partners NPC.esp
49 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
4A CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
4B CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
4C pizz's BeastTaimer.esp
4D CM Partners Fayle.esp
4E CM Partners Xu.esp
4F Sher Ja Lion Companion.esp
50 IlluminationWithout.esp
51 Better Cities Full.esp
52 Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
53 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
54 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
55 Better Imperial City.esp
56 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
57 Bashed Patch, 0.esp


Again, I really appreciate your help.

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snip?

...in other words, your computer is choking to death...


Edit: *snip* = cut/edited out of my post

Edit: You should've packed OOO1.34b5 into an OMOD before installing it. Now you have a decision to make. Basically, you have to drop FCOM. I am not even sure how well that system can run OOO, but it certainly has a better chance of doing that. Looking at your GPU...I need to go reference some things. I will update in a few.

My vid card has 512 mem and i'm on dx11 have 3 gigs ram, admittedly vista eats most of that, but not all.

EDIT: I have no idea how to make an OMOD. Tried it once; got lost.

That is not what I was concerned about. The thing is, your CPU is ancient and slow... I am almost surprised that you can run that card on the same MOBO as a P4, but I guess the P4s are not that old. Is the GPU even sitting in a PCI x16 2.0 slot. I would assume that the slot is just PCI x16. You need to optimize as much as possible to take some stress of your CPU. Now, I will get to those stabilization and optimization recommendations.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/install/pcspecs <-- read this so that you understand why the 3GB RAM and the GPU are not really the issue here. The only maxed out feature on your setup regarding this game is the 3GB RAM since you are running on a 32-bit OS.


Edit: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods/obmm-installation

Oblivion Really likes a fast CPU.. Really, as the Recommended was 3.0 GHz way back in the Beginning... With a lot of mods and extra AI will chock on the extra processing. Adding a Good(hardware based) Soundcard will help Lots!

Adding a sound card will not help that CPU run FCOM... I would get a new CPU and MOBO for $120 before adding anything else to that system, if the OP want to run heavy-duty mods.

True But it IS a Intel P4 2.4ghz Dual Core so should be up to the Task.?
Edit" More limiting is the 32 bit OS cant give Oblivion what it really wants...MEM!!

I use Windows XP. 32-bit is fine. I missed the Dual Core part. Oooh. I remember that CPU. Okay, no wonder that video card is on the same board. All right, well my optimization suggestion still apply, but that CPU you should run FCOM. My misread, sorry. Here it goes...


http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/optimization/optimizationmods <-- you at least want, SL, OSR and Quiet Feet Max, the grass mod is recommended too
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization <-- OSR, SL, Fast Exit, and please do not install WeOCPs until we have exhausted all of the options for getting you a more stable setup, it covers up crashes, and we are doing the doctor thing at the moment, so only use it as a last resort. If you are getting 4hrs or so out of your game, you do not need to even bother trying it.


Edit: more resources

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/optimization
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1081188-guide-how-to-smooth-pc-oblivion-fps/ - gamesas thread <-- Albertine's guide, do not let the nVidia focus deter you, he uses an nVidia card

Edit: For OSR, try both heap mode 1 and 5. People have varying results, so there does not seem to be a standard recommendation. Many people do, however, recommend that you set Streamline's FPS limits inside or equal to the range set in OSR.

Question for the OP. Looked at the Specs for that computer .

When you Upgraded to the new Video card Did you also upgrade the Power supply? The original was a 300 watt unit...Not up to the task of running the 4600 series cards? might want to check the specs for that..

That would certainly cause crashes...computer restarting too...

Edit: Removing OOO-WaterWeeds and MMM Looting NPCs & Creatures would take some pressure off your system as well

Grab the update (from the 3rd post of the MMM thread) for MMM Slof's Horses and DLCHorseArmor if you do not already have it.

just a thought ..not sure here...


++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

40 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Don't the FCOM ones conflict with the MMM one?

okay, i've installed the OSR plugin, short grass v3, uninstalled ooo water weeds and mmm looting npc's. no, didn't upgrade powersupply. card didn't appear to be much of an upgrade from stock nvidia card.
I already have the MMM Slof update you mentioned yesterday. the extra horses in the various stables have since vanished, but not too worried about it atm.

No. The only mod you normally have to worry about with that MMM plugin is BC's City Defenses. Those two FCOM modules are graphics replacers.


Edit: I presume you were mixing that up with MMM's Diverse Guard Unity option, but that MMM option is obsolete (and not included) with MMM 3.7 anyway.

Edit: http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/fcomoptions.html

Just a thought, but Automagic Bags plugin. It's OBSE, has a lot of scripting and such, (lot of bags), could that possibly be too mem intensive?

I doubt it. Those two plugin I pointed would be more problematic. The scripting mods to worry about are those that are poorly written...that is about it really. If you have loaded the game with tons of mods, then you may have to be wary of mods that add scripts to tons of objects and NPCs (i.e., some ambient lighting and sound mods, mods that attach scripts to NPCs that are executed regularly or add more NPCs in general.) The OOO-WaterWeeds and similar mods hurt performance simply because of the nature of the mod. Lots of little mesh additions. That's why the BC FPS patches reduce the extra clutter.

Edit: Aside from poorly written scripts, you can add too many player-centric scripts. For example, Realistic Fatigue and older versions of Willful resistance give some users problems. It gets really bad if the player-centric scripts conflict with each other in some way.

Now im totally confused.....


38 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.5.5b3]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

One says 3.5.5 other is from 3.7.3...? or did the Hunting /crafting not get a new #

Edit: just looked mine has updated # think we are getting close?

Ah, kool. I like being able to sort my loot by type and whether it's for keeping or selling.

I do have one other quick question before testing the new changes if you have the time... When i load the game i keep having to reset my sound/video settings. When I exit the game, they keep resetting.

Ahhh, I cannot remember what the cause of that bug is, but I have heard those exact symptoms before. I am nearly positive that the person was having crashes on exit though. Fast Exit 2 will take care of the CTD on exit issue. The problem is that the game does not get a chance to save INI edits before it crashes. You should not have to worry about that anymore. Be aware, that is you use the StreamSight feature of Streamline, it does alter your video settings, not resolution or anything like that, but it change the view/load distance for certain things in order to keep your FPS in the range you specified.

Ah, thanks. nice to know it's a known issue.