If you want a fair math here then:

Basic sword 21 dmg with perk 42, dual dword power attack 126 dmg (21x2x2x1,5) a second
Destro as used in the math ( not bothered to checked if done correct by the OP ) 112.5 dmg a second with 59 mana

We skip the realistic values of health:stamina of meele and magica of mage and go with the bogust 500 stamina and 500 mana values. Both damage values are per second so we add the total values of a full bar.

500 stamina gives us 10 dual power attacks that gives us 126dmg x 10 = 1260 dmg per stamina bar
500 mana gives us 9 seconds of spell attack that gives 112.5 dmg x 9 = 1012,5 dmg per mana bar

Conclusion: 1260 meele dmg >> 1012,5 destro dmg

normal attacks take 1 second to swing one sword so we`re doing a constant 42 dmg per second.
spell dmg does 112.5 dmg per second but only for 9 seconds.

Conclusion: 42 meele DPS <<< 112.5 destro DPS
There is the penalty of mana running out after 9 seconds but we are fighting one oponent and we are gonna kill him anyway if hes 1k health,
This dosnt take into account the value of disintegrate that kills an enemy that has less than 20% health. ( if enemy has 1k hp then he dies instantly if he falls below 200 hp, bonus of 200hp less dmg to deal per enemy )
Doesnt take into value racial bonus of 50, with it the mana bar dmg would be 1125 dmg per mana bar.
This conclusion dosnt take into account +magica gear (to be fair, really ) and makes the mage naked while the meele build uses armor to not get 1 hit kill in close range combat

Edit. Corrected the one handed dmg value

You can throw a dual-cast incinerate every second.

Faster attack only works for dual power attacks, take some reading comprehension classes yourself. We have a finite stamina and mana bar and a finite hp pool on the enemy - our speed dosnt change anything. The weapon does dmg per hit not per second, so yes you can make more dmg per second with dual wilding but your still limited with the stamina bar.

Wait what? How does destruction do 112.5 damage a second?



You can throw a dual-cast incinerate every second.



See this is what I'm talking about where people are posting threads about destruction damage when they just simply don't know what the hell they are talking about. I know you didn't come up with that number, but I remember the thread it was posted in and theres no other way to say this nicely, that OP was completely full of [censored] clueless about what the [censored] he was talking about. He was literally just making [censored] up. People doing mathematical dps comparisons based on an arbitrary amount of mana in your pool and stuff like that. That whole thread should be disregarded as trash.

No. Faster attacks works while dual wielding, not dual wielding power attacks. You do indeed have a finite magic and stamina bar, as do enemies have a finite hp bar - your attack speed increases the rate of that HP bar shrinking. Damage is listed as damage per second because most fights last longer than killing the enemy in one hit. You get a more accurate representation of exactly how much damage you really are doing. If you are still in doubt about this, go ask any WoW nerd, we know how this works. It is NOT limited to your stamina bar because you can still attack without it. You can't use power attacks, but you can still swing both weapons faster than you could swing just one, thus doing more damage.

Thats not that many, unless you are using the enchanting exploit.

Umm...

What? No, I can throw an incinerate every second. Theres.. theres no enchantment required for that...

Umm...

What? No, I can throw an incinerate every second. Theres.. theres no enchantment required for that...

DBS do you really think by end game Destro does more damage than DW?

If using Base dmg weapons, not enchanted, not upgraded by smithing and without +%dmg gear, no %dmg pots then - YES
All the rest - NO

Oh, if your damage comparison is based on not enchanting or using magicka potions I did not realize. Please continue. Destruction does horrible damage per second.

I didn't know exploiting enchanting was a requirement :: sadly thats what this thread dictates.

I have 65% reduction costs from vendor loot and its still barely enough for 7 casts. Destro has the lowest DPS in the game with and without enchanting vs other skills respectively w/ and w/out enchanting.

http://skyrimcalculator.com/#4713

Yeah the way I play is extremely exploity.

Oh, if your damage comparison is based on not enchanting or using magicka potions I did not realize. Please continue. Destruction does horrible damage per second.

The problem, is that you NEVER use base weapon damage. You would need 0 skill in 1 handers to have PURELY base weapon damage. If you want to compare a WORSE THAN FRESHLY MADE CHARACTER, to a mage with 100 destruction, go ahead, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

I know, thats why I don't want to use this method, which btw has been known since 11/11/11.

The fact that you can just skip all those spell-reduction perks to master shows how broken it is, and that it wasn't intended.



I'll wait for mods well before I'm forced to cheat

Still ignoring me huh?

You exploit.....I mean play your game how you like and let us hope they fix Destruction so we can have our way to.

And stop (Anyone not just you.) implying we all want 1 hit kills. We just want Destruction to scale fairly like other weapons. Too much to ask?

Base dmg weapons has nothing to do with they`re output dmg it means only that the weapon is at stock, non-modified. You can still have 100 skill in one-handed and the correcponding perks you need.

You're a funny guy.

He never said that he didn't want it fixed, he was just showing us how to deal with the cards we have been dealt. We're merely using this thread a a place to argue that destruction needs fixing, and here's why.

Part of the title of this thread is......"Stop asking for changes until you try this".

As if they are not needed. Exploiting one thing to fix another is not a fix or acceptable solution for me.

Translation of title: Exploit the system before you complain.

No thanks. I'll just skip part 1 and go straight to part 2 and hope Bethesda fixes it properly.

Um...what's your point?

Ah, but he said until you try this. After you have tried it, feel free to ask for changes. I know I am.