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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:55 pm

So your son/daughter would be Bjarkison?
Bjarkason (son) or Bjarkadóttir (daughter)
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Nathan Risch
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:18 am

And you think that would happen again ?

You don't? :biggrin: Ever heard the truism, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

Bjarkason (son) or Bjarkadóttir (daughter)

Right. :facepalm:
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 9:53 am

Don't know if Ellert already replied to this since I haven't read the entire thread yet... but, I'll try to answer it anyway.

Icelandic names are patronymic, meaning that our last names reflect the first names of our father (or sometimes, the mother). For example my first name is Bjarki, and my fathers name is Jónas, which makes my last name Jónasson. My name is Bjarki Jónasson, which literally means Bjarki son of Jónas.

There is no stigma for going against that convention, in fact most people in my family have a family name and don't use their patronymic names. Family names aren't very common though.
So would your child be *insert name of choice* Bjarkison ?

If so that seems odd, its easier to identify relatives if they share your last name. Assuming your name isnt common (mine isnt).
Also wasnt aware scandinavia didnt include iceland.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:02 am

Bjarkason (son) or Bjarkadóttir (daughter)

There's some sleight of hand going on there: the "i" changed to an "a"! This is obviously much more arcane and mysterious than I'd thought.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:06 pm

You don't? :biggrin: Ever heard the truism, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

I remember hearing about some Roman emporers who were pretty much loved by their people. To the point where they didnt need gaurds protecting them.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:43 am

Don't know if Ellert already replied to this since I haven't read the entire thread yet... but, I'll try to answer it anyway.

Icelandic names are patronymic, meaning that our last names reflect the first names of our father (or sometimes, the mother). For example my first name is Bjarki, and my fathers name is Jónas, which makes my last name Jónasson. My name is Bjarki Jónasson, which literally means Bjarki son of Jónas.

There is no stigma for going against that convention, in fact most people in my family have a family name and don't use their patronymic names. Family names aren't very common though.

That's interesting, I didn't know any cultures still did that. Most patronymic names just became surnames, hence why we have millions of Johnsons/Williamsons/Davisons etc. in the English-speaking world. Fine with me though since my patronymic name would be Paulson which is rather uninteresting.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 9:05 pm

There's some sleight of hand going on there: the "i" changed to an "a"! This is obviously much more arcane and mysterious than I'd thought.
The Icelandic language has four cases, which usually change the spelling of the word in question slightly. My name doesn't change much, it just goes Bjarki -> Bjarka -> Bjarka -> Bjarka

A good example of how these grammatical cases change the spelling is the Icelandic word for horse, which is "Hestur". It goes:

Hestur
Hest
Hesti
Hests

Those would be the nominative, accusative, dative and genitive cases of the world Hestur (Horse)
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:59 am

That's interesting, I didn't know any cultures still did that. Most patronymic names just became surnames, hence why we have millions of Johnsons/Williamsons/Davisons etc. in the English-speaking world.

You forgot the Johansson!
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:53 pm

You forgot the Johansson!

That's not English.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:19 pm

That's interesting, I didn't know any cultures still did that. Most patronymic names just became surnames, hence why we have millions of Johnsons/Williamsons/Davisons etc. in the English-speaking world.
The Icelandic language hasn't changed in the last 1000 years actually, I can read texts written in early medieval times without much trouble. :shrug:

Our language, and our names are very archaic...
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:42 pm

The Icelandic language has four cases, which usually change the spelling of the word in question slightly. My name doesn't change much, it just goes Bjarki -> Bjarka -> Bjarka -> Bjarka

A good example of how these grammatical cases change the spelling is the Icelandic word for horse, which is "Hestur". It goes:

Hestur
Hest
Hesti
Hests

Those would be the nominative, accusative, dative and genitive cases of the world Hestur (Horse)
And to think I hated welsh for its mutations. Icelandic seems even worse when it comes to them.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:02 am

[snip]

Thanks for the info :biggrin:

A question for the people of United States: Is it true that when buying a car you have to pay extra for manual gears?
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:19 am

The Icelandic language hasn't changed in the last 1000 years actually, I can read texts written in early medieval times without much trouble. :shrug:

Our language, and our names are very archaic...

I'd consider that a good thing, I mean; I barely have any idea what the [censored] someone was saying in English 200 years ago much less 1000.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 12:11 pm

Great idea for a thread. :thumbsup:

To anyone from New Zealand, there's a lot of us in the UK that would love to live in either New Zealand or Australia. Makes sense that you have tight imigration laws and conditions. Do you have the urge to live in another country or are you happy where you are?
I'm pretty happy with New Zealand and highly doubt that I'll ever move to anywhere else indefinitely. Travel, sure, but I think NZ will always be where I'll settle.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 9:01 am

That's not English.

Well, no, but the same principle is at play, once persons who follow a patronymic system move away to a system -- English -- that doesn't.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 4:09 pm

^^^
I love it, considering that its a tradition of my ancestors. I'm more thickly Scottish and German though, so bagpipes and old German folk music tend to take presidence over river dancing.



Yeah...Africa is pretty much in the same state it was 400 years ago, only now with guns and toxic waste. Middle East is improving with time.
Actually Africa has improved a bit, since they can't legally sell hostile tribesmen to Westerners any more. The Middle East is rapidly moving backwards compared to 30 or 40 years ago.

The Icelandic language hasn't changed in the last 1000 years actually, I can read texts written in early medieval times without much trouble. :shrug:

Our language, and our names are very archaic...
That's really cool, I didn't know that. I can read medieval Dutch texts but it takes a bit of effort. Especially when it isn't transcribed to a modern script, since medieval handwritings are quite different. All the abbreviations were killing me during my med. palaeography exam. :brokencomputer:
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:32 am


Well, no, but the same principle is at play, once persons who follow a patronymic system move away to a system -- English -- that doesn't.

Well I wonder as to the legal process when it comes to patronymic names. I don't believe they'd allow you to give your child such a name as their surname in most countries. For instance my son's patronymic name would be Shaneson (There is no such name as Shaneson, but that is technically what it would be) but I don't believe they would allow me to do that, not that I would want to bestow such a horrible name. I assume that if this is still the norm in Iceland then it's actually part of the legal naming process.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 4:57 pm

Well I wonder as to the legal process when it comes to patronymic names. I don't believe they'd allow you to give your child such a name as their surname in most countries. For instance my son's patronymic name would be Shaneson (There is no such name as Shaneson, but that is technically what it would be) but I don't believe they would allow me to do that, not that I would want to bestow such a horrible name. I assume that if this is still the norm in Iceland then it's actually part of the legal naming process.

In most countries, you can name your child according to whatever whimsy strikes you. The only important thing is that the birth certificate state that X is the son/daughter of Y and Z, born on --.--.----

Actually Africa has improved a bit, since they can't legally sell hostile tribesmen to Westerners any more. The Middle East is rapidly moving backwards compared to 30 or 40 years ago.

Can we stop talking about Africa and the Middle East like they're giant countries? Am I the only person who thinks this is really inappropriate? Could we also stop referring to Africa and the Middle East as if they consist of backwater savages?
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:40 pm

I have a question for the Americans. How can anyone enjoy NASCAR?

I wondered that too, then i played the NASCAR races in Gran Turimso 5 :hehe: All cars are the same and the track doesn't allow overtaking in corners, so it's all about the drivers' skill.

However, i still find it boring :hehe:

I would rather they rule. It would eliminate the childish bickering you see in politics, and they could be better rulers. Trained from young age in ruling and leading a country. Seems more efficient, besides democracy gives ill informed people equal say. That just leads to bad things.

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said "The best argument against democracy is 5 minutes with an average voter" :lmao: Now if you'll excuse me, i'll go and prove him correct by voting in the presidential election :P
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:59 pm

I have a very high respect for bi-lingual people. I could not imagine trying to learn any other language...I still have trouble with the Queen's English.
I do enjoy learning certain words...but I have no practical need to learn anything else fluently.

So, my hat's off to all those who know more than one.
Thank you. To be fair, people who already know English don't really need to learn other languages, so they're not encouraged as much when they're in school and it makes it even more difficult for them.
That's awesome. I've certainly never heard it called beautiful. :ahhh:
Well it is, at least in my opinion. I believe many people think English is not a beautiful language because they are forced to learn it at school without any attempt to make them appreciate it. English has an enormous amount of fantastic literature, music, and movies, and this quality owes a lot to the refinement and specific qualities of the English language (its rich history of borrowing words from different languages, its ablity to evolve rapidly, its flexibility, the variety of accents...).
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:57 pm

Is St. Patrick's Day as big of a deal in Ireland as it is in America?

No.

It's a fairly big deal here, but we don't go as all out as Americans tend to. We have parades, but they're nowhere near as extravagant as the ones you'd find in the larger American cities.

Generally, young kids and families will often go and watch the parade, and that's about it. For people between the ages of 18-35, it's common to go down to the pub early in the day and spend the day drinking. It's usually a good day.

To be honest, I find the tourists get much more into it than Irish people do. Most Irish people just use it as an excuse to drink all day (other excuses include birthdays, christenings, passing exams, winning ten euro on a scratch card, it's Tuesday, I found 20 cent in my pocket, it's any day ending in 'y', etc.)
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:11 pm

For the Americans again. Can you tell when speaking to someone, if they have an upper class or 'posh' accent. Is it easy to distinguish rich kids and the like? I know England has a very diverse range of accents for such a small place.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:05 am

I have never seen a funnelweb in my life. :starwars:
There's that, too.

Take note, foreigners: if you express an interest in Australia we will exaggerate the dangers to Timbuktu and back, but if you start going on about how dangerous it is here we'll play them down and point out that it is, in fact, reasonably safe here (unlike England, where they sometimes get as much as an inche of snow, which we all know is enough to bring doom and terror down on all :P). This doesn't do much to help you understand us, but it may help you realise that you don't :D.

Yeah...Africa is pretty much in the same state it was 400 years ago, only now with guns and toxic waste. Middle East is improving with time.
I feel I should point out that there have been some pretty impressive (for anywhere, not just relative to that continent :rolleyes:) kingdoms and empires in Africa. Also, there's a huge range of environments, climates, ethnicities, and stability in Africa... 'cause, y'know, it's an entire bloody continent made up of numerous nations which each have complex, unique histories :grad:.

Also wasnt aware scandinavia didnt include iceland.
Scandinavia is basically Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. They, plus Finland, Iceland, ?land, the Faroe Islands, and Greenland, make up the Nordic Countries.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:00 am

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said "The best argument against democracy is 5 minutes with an average voter" :lmao: Now if you'll excuse me, i'll go and prove him correct by voting in the presidential election :tongue:
I love that guy. Gret quotes, and some are funny as hell (the drunk/ugly one is the best imo).

Scandinavia is basically Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. They, plus Finland, Iceland, ?land, the Faroe Islands, and Greenland, make up the Nordic Countries.
Not Finland ? But Finland used to be part of Sweden iirc.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:17 am

Not Finland ? But Finland used to be part of Sweden iirc.

True, but Scandinavia(n peninsula) is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Peninsula, unlike "nordic countries".
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