Yep.

Expecting somebody to take responsibility for their actions shouldn't harm them, it should be a life experience.

First-world Western societies don't need "women's days" anymore. Do you know that there are studies now that indicate that women are too accommodated? They make up 60% of academic positions, for instance -- a sphere where there's really no reason for there to not be an equal split in the genders. They get much more post-pregnancy leave. sixual harrassment laws take them much more seriously. Etc.

Don't misunderstand me; I'd consider myself a feminist (in so far as I'm a humanist). But something's gone very wrong, and days that celebrate this wrongness aren't helping any.

Pernicious: 1 - Highly injurious or destructive.

I fail to see how women being accountable for their actions while intoxicated is highly injurious or destructive. A woman's actions themselves, drunken or no, may be injurious or destructive, but the idea of those women being responsible for those actions? No, I don't think so. If that were true, we wouldn't be allowed to hold ANYONE accountable for their actions, because doing so would be causing just as much harm as they might be.

You want to know what kind of attitude is TRULY harmful? The one that dictates that women are held to a different standard than everyone else. We don't treat women like advlts in the U.S., we treat them like children, and then act all surprised when they ACT like children. When are we going to wake up to this?

Reminds me when highschool girls stripped that boy in public "its just a joke".
Yeah, lets see them say that, if roles reversed.

People being held responsible for their actions ? Haha no.

Its not just women, no one has responsibility anymore. Thats why you have so many stupid lawsuits. I miss common sense.

There's millions of things women are allowed to do to men that men would get lynched for doing to women.


True, to an extent at least. A bias towards women still exists though, especially when it involves six. Hardly any man who accuses a woman of [censored] him ever gets taken seriously, while men are labeled rapists all the time based solely on a woman's accusations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWlBgj0uOc&ob=av3e

Yes.

I'm not sure it does a cause any favours to conjure up problems where none exist. There are real problems that need dealing with, inventing trivial issues like this just gives people an excuse to ignore them.

LOL at that quote.

Besides, I use 'guise'.

This is silly.

Hilarious strawman.

Blaming women for certain events is pernicious, if what you are holding them accountable for is being harassed, abused, or discriminated against by men. Your earlier post basically stated that if a woman finds herself being targeted by unwanted sixual advances when she is drunk, then it's her fault. Don't you see how backwards this is?

I agree, but the OP never stated the opposite.

Men and women aren't equal.
advlts and children aren't equal.
"Blacks" and "whites" aren't equal.
Me and you aren't equal.
etc

No one is ever going to be equal to anyone, ever, without mass brainwashing and hindering the growth of humans mentally and physically.
This is the 1st I've ever heard of "international Women's day" same for Black history month, both are just daft sounding

Who said anything about abuse or harassment? I'm talking about women who get drunk and have six with men. Big difference.

I don't feel sorry for a woman who knowingly compromises her own judgement. Let's say I'm at a party, and I happen to know already that I tend to start fights when I get drunk. If I proceed to chug beers like there's no tomorrow, and beat up some random dude, am I responsible for that? Of course I am. When a woman is going to a party, and she intends on drinking, and knows that that has a tendency to lead to her having six with total strangers, she's just as responsible for what happens to her as I would be if I got drunk and attacked someone.


Most women endure unwanted sixual advances several times a day, every day, without being drunk. Why? Because men are horny and I think we can agree that the best way to do something about that is by talking to women (or other men, in the case of gay guys). So what if it's unwelcome? The only reason is because the woman didn't find the guy talking to her to be attractive, or, she's not into men at all, or, she's not in the mood to be dating anyone at the time. He can't always know that ahead of time, it's impossible. The only way to know what's around the corner is by looking. No one deserves to be hated because they desire six and just happen to have hit on someone who's in a bad mood. It's not like only men ever do that either.

When a woman's at a party or bar, getting drunk, she knows damn full and well that the sixual advances from men are likely to be at their highest frequency. If they're not, it's probably because she's either surrounded by men who truly aren't there to get lucky (it's rare, but it happens), or she isn't very attractive (far more common). Unwelcome or not, she knows they're coming, and it's her responsibility to make sure her level of intoxication doesn't compromise her judgement too much if she doesn't want to end up willingly jumping right into a strange man's bed. She can't do much about ugly men hitting on her, and there's no reason to freak out over the occurrence. Men can't do much about ugly women hitting on them either. You don't want unwelcome advances? Ever? Make yourself hideous or go live in the middle of nowhere. Those are your options, regardless of gender or BAC.

Ironic.

He said men shouldn't be called scumbags for hitting on drunk women. He didn't say men shouldn't be called scumbags when they abuse or [censored] a drunk woman. I think he's more arguing that it's wrong when women get drunk and feel like they made a mistake sleeping with someone then they go on to call it [censored]. And it's wrong when someone assumes you're a horrible person for trying to get a drunk woman to bed.

I assume anyone is horrible for trying to get a drunk anyone in bed...

Please elaborate, I dont see whats stopping people being equal.

Why? It's not like anyone forced the alcohol down the drunk's throat or that the drunk was unwilling.

I agree with basically this whole post. Can't really see the fault in this logic. If someone does, please elaborate.

Am I the same as you in every way?
I don't think I am, therefore we are not equal.
Same goes for women and men, no two people on this Earth are so completely identical that they can be called equals.
Unless everyone becomes manufactured clones off an assembly line, drilled with the same thoughts on everything and emotions then we can could call ourselves all equals

We might not be equal in that sense but there isn't a way to say one person is inherently superior. Well, in most cases there isn't.

If im stronger than you, you can become as strong as me with enough effort, or the other way round.
Same for anything else really.
Unless you have a physcial/mental issue, there is nothing stopping you/me.
Also, I know people who are different too men, but that dosent mean they are better.

Drunk people cant give consent, its as simple as that.
Hey she dosent know whats going on, but becuase she did that. Its totally ok too [censored] her.

Not really. It's mostly genetics; strength of males between themselves differs greatly from one person to another, and the strength of males is on average greater when compared to females. Even females who are in top shape at the gym I usually out-lift them (unless they're competing in power lifting for example).

With effort, you can only get so far. It's mostly genetics like I said. If it weren't, I'd be much stronger than I am.

Depends on what your definition of drunk is.

If you're so wasted you're barely conscious, you should be drinking with friends to make sure you don't do stupid [censored] or learn to control yourself.