The future of PC Gaming doesn't lie in now popular shooters. PC Gaming is alive and well, but its future, as far as financial prosperity, is being determined by MMOs, RTS, and the many upcoming indie games you can find everywhere. My faith for shooters and similar games lies in companies like DICE, Valve, and Tripwire... and I think we will continue to have a fair variety of good shooters, but its not the biggest piece of the pie.

The future also lies deep within our long time modding community, which is why more demands need to be made for editors. All the way back to Half-Life and up to Oblivion and Crysis, the modding community is what makes the greatest innovative difference for PC gamers. That is actually what I am most displeased at with C2, being unsure that it will ever have an editor released.

Two things First the piracy is killing PC games is a huge fallacy. Reliant on the basis of a pirated copy = lost sale. how is the sale lost if it was never there to begin with? If I pirate a game I (for example) had no intention of buying in the first place there as no 'potential' for a sale at the get go. So exactly how did they "lose" a sale that was never possible to begin with? I'm not saying that pirating games is right, just that the logic against it is wrong. Pc game developers want to reduce piracy? Simple stop shoveling crap to market, give us better products that function correctly, stop treating us all like we're criminals just because a few within the community are. Stop this whole "leased game access crap with full retail pricetag garbage" There are a lot of LEGIT ways to reduce piracy, sadly it seems developers/publishers would rather shunt the blame off onto those rotten no good pirates instead of taking a bit of introspective and seeing thier just as much to blame for lost sales/ clsoed studios as the pirates are.

Second There was a very good article somewhere recently about how certain sites get early preview copies of games and/or get to post reviews "early" provided the review is going to be good for the game. Any webmaster who values his site is going to obviously slant reviews towards 'good' in order to kep traffic high, which in turns generates revenue and also ensures that future titles from that developer/publisher arrive on his reviewers desks early. its a completely corrupt system and needs to be abolished entirely. I've purchased dozens of terrible games all of which had review scores of at least 7 or better on most sites. I'm sure a little google-fu will reveal the article think it was transposed on ggamesutra as well.

Well we have The witcher 2, Diablo 3, The old republic, bf3, ro2 etc.

They will fix the bugs, sort out the servers and patch in DX11, and even if it did stay as DX9 it still looks fantastic.

How can you POSSIBLY know any of this? DX9 looks "fantastic?" No, DX9 looks dated, and that's just how Crysis 2 appears. Do you even HAVE a DX11-capable rig?

What a bunch of haters. Crysis 2 is a great game, I've maxed it out at 1920*1200 so don't tell me otherwise. Does it matter ALL THAT MUCH whether it's DX9 or DX11, the news is that they'll be patching it in after they work out most of the bugs. Crytek is working, I've seen multiple working patches, so guys just shut up and wait while they work so you can have fun. Just because it's got some "consolized" aspects to it doesn't mean you have to spaz out. Crysis 2 has aspects that totally crush other games, such as animation. Crysis 2 animations are definitely some of the best ever in any game. The particle effects are very damn good to be fitting on a console. And the textures look very nice fitting in a small budget of 256MB of VRAM. The story guys, is great. If you didn't like it, you have mental issues. For anyone wondering whether I've played Crysis 1, I have.

Good day.

PS: I have a DX11 capable rig.

What a bunch of haters. Crysis 2 is a great game, I've maxed it out at 1920*1200 so don't tell me otherwise. Does it matter ALL THAT MUCH whether it's DX9 or DX11, the news is that they'll be patching it in after they work out most of the bugs. Crytek is working, I've seen multiple working patches, so guys just shut up and wait while they work so you can have fun. Just because it's got some "consolized" aspects to it doesn't mean you have to spaz out. Crysis 2 has aspects that totally crush other games, such as animation. Crysis 2 animations are definitely some of the best ever in any game. The particle effects are very damn good to be fitting on a console. And the textures look very nice fitting in a small budget of 256MB of VRAM. The story guys, is great. If you didn't like it, you have mental issues. For anyone wondering whether I've played Crysis 1, I have.

Good day.

PS: I have a DX11 capable rig.

Read as: "I have the faith of a child in a company that lied like a rug to their PC user base. All of you guys should play it MY way because, well, JUST BECAUSE! PS: Don't mind that I'm playing the role of a meatball industry insider with information that you rubes aren't worthy of, okay?"

If Crytek has all these grandiose plans let them get in here and give us the what's and when's. They don't need people like you to shill for them, do they?

Ok the only way that this will be solve that Onlive to be the major platform i think their idieas are greate evry country with a onlive server and the only thing that will remain out of onlive are MMO's.
I tested onlive from romania on a us sv on 720P(1080 is not available at the moment it will be so there wil not be any loss of detail) but i can get decent gaiming in that sistem if evry country will have a server and all hardware where gone and just pay for games (even you can rent them for a wile at a rezonable price) and piracy will dissapear becoze its impossble to hack Onlive (It streams to you the video and controls) it will stop all this crap pc vs consoles or port.

The main point...and i was just making my case using Crysis 2 for example is that..we're going to start getting hand me downs. That's basically it. I used BF3 as a reference because it's being made for the PC first , and consoles 2nd. Crysis 2 = console first, port to PC 2nd. The elements are clear.

Diablo 3 and all those games are going to be great. Don't get me wrong. But games optimized for console first and PC 2nd is like we're getting scraps.

Another thing is.. with the whole DX 9 **** is that...how can you go below the standards of what the original game offered? How in the hell..do you release something that has "preset" graphic settings? Every game on PC (Basically) has customizable graphics. settings. and for those of you who are going to say "graphics settings don't make the game" idgaf. that ****'s a slap in the face.

Maybe it's a big marketing thing or...just scheme to throw in patches to make it seem like they give a rats ass bout making a solid PC game.

Release a broken ass game...fix it as weeks and months go by..to look like you're "doing something" for the community.


The overall point is that once developers start moving the way of consoles, we are going to get preset crap and watered down products that are best fit for consoles.

DICE , Blizzard etc. they all have it right.

I didn't mean PC gaming is dead literally...it's sputtering to afterthought status though.

And for **** sake..don't take every little ****' detail on a post and take it literally as if it's fact and that's the only view of someone's opinion or thoughts.

The people who are quick to call someone else an idiot are idiots themselves. Forums and "discussion boards" are meant to spark debate and discussion..not have some random troll who is on their rag come in and call everyone an idiot as if they're god's gift to knowing everything in the universe.

Lighten up. Think about the big picture. Not the tiny details.

PS: I have a DX11 capable rig.

You're a doormat.

I get in 'friendly arguments / debates' all the bloody time with people at work and in guilds and whatnot. Console is murdering the crap out of PC because devs are playing the lazy/marketing card. (I am not sure I can blame them, money = win?) but honestly, someone needs to step up and be a beacon of hope in this industry, as you said. I am not sure I would trust EA, maybe Blizzard can make an FPS? They haven't backstabbed us yet. takes them a few months to a few years to fix bugs in a game that millions of players are paying them for, but at least they haven't given us a steam pile of console with a lil' toothpick-flag saying "PCGAMELOLOL" on it yet. yet.
Not to forget valve guys they released multiple of their games on consoles but look at what they did for PCs constant updates TF2 on the consoles is nothing compared to the one on PC and CS:S valve never forgot about us and TBH they get most of their money off steam not console sales lol anyways it's makes me gald to know that one of the best developers still supports its fans

After reading that drivel about piracy being why they went cross-platform I wanted to throw up in my mouth from the smell of all bullsh*t he was spewing.

I suggest people reading this: http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Another-view-of-game-piracy
before believing such crap.

Developers just like to use piracy as a reason their crappy game didn't sell and they are just greedy. I for one feel I was screwed by Crytec. All the hype, all the lies (PC game first my a**) have made me sick. They promised and did not deliver.

A lot of people pirate a game before buying it to see if it is actually worth it. If it is, then they will buy it.
Why? Well, unlike console games, we can't GameFly our games. We cannot return a game if its terrible or sub-par usually and recoup lost money like console games. I don't know about everyone else but spending 50-60 bucks on a game is a lot of money to me so I expect it to be pretty damn good.

The problem is game developers have found that with console games, they can push out a mediocre game, charge lots of money and the player base doesn't know the difference. This isn't always the case, I have seen many well done, very fun console games, but it has become more common to push out crap and multi-platform it. So PC games get less then what they can be, we get a lot of left over’s.
Most people are fine with paying for a good product, you have a small minority of screwballs that will take what they can for free and screw everyone else and they should rot in the 9 hells. We are just tired of being screwed over.

But the bigger issue is piracy. If you want to blame one thing for the state of PC gaming now, it's piracy. Big releases like Crysis 2 suffer without fail zero-day OR WORSE (pre-release) piracy and leaks, which are almost nonexistent on consoles.

Piracy on console exist a lot ( ok less than on PC i agree ) its just a bit more "complexe" for a basic user who need first crack the console, i guess thats the only thing who slow down console piracy.

But there is a lot of piracy on console. Proof pirated Crysis2 console version was on the interet very early.
And more console will have success more the piracy will grow.

I have to agree too, For company console market is better for sell rate, since a console i a way cheaper than a good pc, piracy is a bit more hard, and game are more expensive.

I pray for Half Life 3 and play Starcraft 2. Bi-WINNING!

PC gaming isn't dead! Diablo 3 bichezzzz plus Crysis 2 still **** rocks, just need to fix the multiplyaer server issues!

I dunno its been 3 days since it launched and its still broken.

Not looking too good.

We still have Blizzard. Even if you don't like the "types" of games they put out, theres no argument that they put out some of the best high quality stuff. BattleNet is a fantastic service and I love it. I can see and talk to all my WOW friends (I gave up on wow myself loved it, but it gets old) while I am playing StarCraft 2. Also it is nice to not have to set up "New" Accounts with a game if it is made by the same company.

Go, Blizzard!

toms hardware is doing the same **** as pc gamer. Lying.

sad.

Glad you said BF3 first, I was about to flame you . We have a few dx11 games. I would say thats pretty decent. Hopefully a new "crytek" wil come around unigine maybe? who knows.

Okay, let's say it's dead. How come there are over 3 to 3.5 million pc players online on steam everyday. That is more than all the consoles combined even on release of a game like COD. One or two or even three developers don't make PC gaming live and breath..Do you know anything about economics...? In today's world with all the high prices game developers have to get the most they can from where they can. There are even alot of good console developers that called it quits due to the economy. I see alot of people going over to consoles because to be a PC gamer it takes alot of money. Every couple of months computer technology advances and you have to keep up and that takes some serious money these days and most people don't have that money to spend. Yet you buy a console and then all you have to buy is the games. It just logical that console gaming is cheaper for the masses and that's where the money is. If I owned a game company I would probably do the same as Crytek and go over to consoles and still do PC, too. Troll me if you must of send me hate I don't care but it's the truth. Oh, I don't think BF3 will save PC gaming, remember EA makes the calls not DICE, they just build the game, EA still has the final word. Look at what they did with Medal of Honor. There are alot of other games coming to help the PC community. Diablo 3 and Elder Scrolls Skryim is coming and I think they will be hugh for PC gamers....

I'm in the UK and my limited edition arrived today, as yet I'm only 10 minutes into the game, but i have read most of the user comments and reviews for the last few days and so i wasn't expecting the next "Star Wars" kinda feeling... but it's "The Phantom Menace" of FPS shooters by the sounds of things...

Who plays jar-jar eh? anyways i better have a try... where's that 1.5G texture and DX patch? oh please god... and to the chap to 'leaked' the beta... thanks for the warning dude!

i think on game, it's like real estate company now ?
they use our money to build game, they selling to us not completed yet, then use our money 1st, then develop it later ?

Let's call this one... OP is a drama queen.

reading some of the posts made me laugh and its the pirating angle and how companies lose money,

I finished ac: brotherhood on pc and watching the end credits it struck me.

pirating is as bad as it was decades ago, anyone who is old enough to remember the c64, all you had to do was have a dual cassette recorder.

however game credits werent that big back then and thats why it struck me, games dont cost that much to make for devs in reality, i dare you watch the end credits of games and you'll find that since these **** publishers got involve the bulk of the employess are actually non essencial office staff.

middle amangers
managers of managers
managers of managers of managers
vp managers
hr
pr....all this crap.

pirating wouldnt be an issue if they didnt have these high paid suits, the 3million units that crysis 1 sold could of easily paid for a better product than this if it wasnt for capitalist corporation structures where everyone but the floorworkers (in this case devs) get high wage.

so anyone say pirating caused this i call poo on that, its greedy middle managers and office staff having to be paid a much higher salarie and therefore the profit line has to be larger. strip these publishers down and the bulk of profits can be put back in to make a amazing console/pc game rather than half finished. pc gaming and eventually console gaming will die if we continue to have these half baked games that are all the same as eachother.

LETS REMEMBER this DATE as :
"Crytek refuses the PC community"

PC USERS respond to CRYTEK will be as following:
No one is going to pre-order/buy their stuff before the review of a game by trusted sources.
CRYTEK have screwd up in front of all PC users even much more than DICE with their BFBC2.
PC users lost any TRUST in CRYTEK and made it clear to everyone,"WE LIE IN YOUR FACE ,all we need is YOUR MONEY".

Following video make it even more clear:

Sooner or later, someone will put out a pc game that will set the bar higher, like Crysis 1 did. Until then, it's back to Crysis Wars multiplayer!!!

Crysis Wars still going strong?