Unlesssssss!!!! Battlefield 3 revives us. Battlefield 3 is our only hope.

I understand that indie developers are creating some of the most solid games out there, but I don't think it's enough.

I'm not gonna be the guy who posts his system specs to prove a point, so I won't do that.

I have a great system, it cost me a sh!t ton of money too. Why? Cause I wanted to play video games that look really fkn' amazing. Plus Mouse + Keyboard just tramples all over playing with a controller. ANYWAY.. All you gearheads out there...with dual video cards..dual monitors.. **** you might even have the 3D glasses + the most amazing overclocked processors yadda yadda yadda... well I'm pretty sure that cost you a ton of money too.

So, were you pissed off that your system yawned when you made sure you had all of your visual settings maxed out? Were you even more pissed that the game was a laughable DX9 product?

What the hell are we doing spending so much money on our system....to run dumbed down games that are an afterthought vs. console games? This svcks. (I get it, stop spending money and complaining) but honestly..someone's gotta say something right? I guess i'm talking to the people who buy hardware upgrades strictly for PC Gaming purposes.

As I first stated.. the only lifeline we have left..to bring us back from the dead..might be Battlefield 3. Crysis 2 didn't care to even cater to our needs. I mean..this really really svcks. I guess it's finally hitting me. I always defend it..I always say PC Gaming is the best gaming experience around...but where's the experience? How many people would still play PC Games if we took the MMO community out of the equation? What if we subtract the number of bots that populate game servers, so it looks like people are still playing a particular PC game? What if we subtract the number of people who hack and ruin the **** out of the gaming experience for everyone? Seriously..we're dead guys.

We're dead because we're getting thrown scraps instead of the main meal.

Yeah yeah, don't worry guys, we'll fix it later in a patch. Just sit tight and munch on this hunk of $60 crap. You can't even get some critical multiplayer bugs out of your system on launch day? Didn't you see this coming via the multiplayer demo?

Don't apologize for them guys. These guys have been in the business for a very very long time. I get the whole "First day launch jitters" but i don't buy that ****. We're paying full retail price for a game that feels like a demo.


I dunno. Seriously. This svcks hard. (Crysis 2, and the current status of our situation). I understand we're not completely completely dead. But I can see the light. Battlefield 3 will be our shock paddles hopefully. Crysis 2 just bailed and got out while it could.

Btw. Read PC Gamer's 89 score review of Crysis 2

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/22/crysis-2-review-2/


Does that match up to what everyone else is saying on the forums? They literally didn't mention anything about Crysis 2 being DX9.

The tons of pissed off readers / comments did though.

I posted this in another thread, but I think it's applicable here.

At this point, DICE's Battlefield 3 is my last hope for PC gaming. They've promised repeatedly that it will be made a PC game FIRST, then ported to consoles. I'm actually somewhat surprised that EA is letting them get away with that. If it's a flop, I'm calling PC gaming dead in the water, doomed to suffer an eternity of console ports.

Let's face it, PC is just not as lucrative as consoles. The capabilities of consoles now are good enough that the average person is willing to settle for what they can provide, despite the fact that PC may provide a better experience - they don't know any better. But the bigger issue is piracy. If you want to blame one thing for the state of PC gaming now, it's piracy. Big releases like Crysis 2 suffer without fail zero-day OR WORSE (pre-release) piracy and leaks, which are almost nonexistent on consoles. The amount of sales the publishers and developers lose to piracy on PC is substantial, and those losses do not exist on consoles.

Bearing this in mind, the publishers will know exactly why PC gaming died. Because they've taken active steps to kill it, along with the console manufacturers. Realistically, we should have all seen this coming when Microsoft entered the console market, or at the latest, when it became obvious that their Games for Windows LIVE was going to be a flop. Microsoft no longer has a vested interest in attracting game development on the PC. But the business model of the Xbox and Xbox 360 is such that they lose money on each console sold, but profit on each game sold. That should speak for itself.

How long do you think it will be until we see more aggressive steps from Microsoft to push gaming away from Windows, and onto consoles? How many more PC-compatible DirectX releases do you think we'll see? Game companies aren't even using the current standard anymore - they're sticking with DX9, the Windows XP standard, to try to eke out a little bit more money from the PC market, since XP is still the most common OS out there. Personally I'd be ecstatic if we made it to DX13 on PC.

I see only 2 ways that this downward slide can be slowed or stopped:

1) Hardware manufacturers (nVidia, ATI, etc.) still have a vested interest in the PC market. But they can easily be bought by the console manufacturers by licensing their hardware for consoles.

2) An easy, widely-available, and widely adopted means of pirating console games is devised. This would bring the consoles "down" to the level of the PC in the eyes of the accountants at EA and the other major publishers.

Whatever the case, the current state, and current outlook, of PC gaming is not good. At best we're dying, and at worst we're already dead.

Btw. Read PC Gamer's 89 score review of Crysis 2

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/22/crysis-2-review-2/


Does that match up to what everyone else is saying on the forums? They literally didn't mention anything about Crysis 2 being DX9.

The tons of pissed off readers / comments did though.

I've had suspicions for several years now that EA pays and/or otherwise leans on popular game reviewing websites/publications to get better reviews for their games. Either that, or the critics are going soft.

If Crysis 2 was DX11 but looked exactly the same, nobody would have an issue. PC gaming isn't dead just because a small group of hardcoe forum ragers feel the need to make a big deal out of a small thing. The posters on this forum are in the minority of players.

I get in 'friendly arguments / debates' all the bloody time with people at work and in guilds and whatnot. Console is murdering the crap out of PC because devs are playing the lazy/marketing card. (I am not sure I can blame them, money = win?) but honestly, someone needs to step up and be a beacon of hope in this industry, as you said. I am not sure I would trust EA, maybe Blizzard can make an FPS? They haven't backstabbed us yet. takes them a few months to a few years to fix bugs in a game that millions of players are paying them for, but at least they haven't given us a steam pile of console with a lil' toothpick-flag saying "PCGAMELOLOL" on it yet. yet.

I couldn't disagree with you more Big. Take a look around. Crysis 2 is just one of the many things wrong with PC gaming. How can there be a minority in such a tiny pool of people? (not supposed to answer that)

Damn this is true and this post made me a sad panda

Yeah. MMO is keeping PC gaming alive. Ya know. I tip my hat to Blizzard. They have the hardesttttt and tiniest details to attend to. Although, I'm not liking that they recycle a lot of their content. That's kinda getting old. Especially if I'm paying to play it.

I will say... it's not the fact that it's not DX9..(well not the only fact) but you have a lot of bugs and glitches that seem like they should have been caught before they released the game. I guess it's not as bad for the single player, but the multiplayer can't even stand on its own two feet.

There's that bug where everyone just sits and sits and sits and sits some more and chats..and sits..and the game never launches.

To people who rent or own the servers, doesn't that svck that they're paying for a server that can't even launch correctly?

Another thing to remember is that these reviews are made on a version different from the retail version of the game. They get an early copy specifically sent to them from the company to review and trust me when I say, the gaming company makes sure it's polished before it's sent out. The other thing to remember is that a lot of these reviews are also based on the console version of the game and not the PC version.

I hate to say it but WE killed pc games...

From Crytek in 2008 - http://www.1up.com/news/crytek-games-longer-exclusive:
"We are suffering currently from the huge piracy that is encompassing Crysis," said Yerli. "Similar games on consoles sell factors of 4-5 more. It was a big lesson for us, and I believe we won't have PC exclusives as we did with Crysis in future."
As a community we didn't do enough to help stop piracy. Not sure what we could have done, maybe bash our piraty friends?

That's why MMORPG's are doing so well, you really can't enjoy a pirated/private server as much as the real thing.

If Crysis 2 was DX11 but looked exactly the same, nobody would have an issue. PC gaming isn't dead just because a small group of hardcoe forum ragers feel the need to make a big deal out of a small thing. The posters on this forum are in the minority of players.

If Crysis 2 were DX11 it WOULDN'T look exactly the same.

I get in 'friendly arguments / debates' all the bloody time with people at work and in guilds and whatnot. Console is murdering the crap out of PC because devs are playing the lazy/marketing card. (I am not sure I can blame them, money = win?) but honestly, someone needs to step up and be a beacon of hope in this industry, as you said. I am not sure I would trust EA, maybe Blizzard can make an FPS? They haven't backstabbed us yet. takes them a few months to a few years to fix bugs in a game that millions of players are paying them for, but at least they haven't given us a steam pile of console with a lil' toothpick-flag saying "PCGAMELOLOL" on it yet. yet.

A big problem is that every FPS nowadays is trying to be the next Call of Duty. Why that is I can't possibly fathom, when the Battlefield series has drastically superior multiplayer.

As a community we didn't do enough to help stop piracy. Not sure what we could have done, maybe bash our piraty friends?

That's why MMORPG's are doing so well, you really can't enjoy a pirated/private server as much as the real thing.

There's nothing we could have done to stop it. Many of the people that pirate games are beyond the jurisdiction of anyone capable of enforcing copyright laws.

Until someone invents a highly reliable, unintrusive means of PC DRM, piracy is going to continue to be a growing problem.

I couldn't disagree with you more Big. Take a look around. Crysis 2 is just one of the many things wrong with PC gaming. How can there be a minority in such a tiny pool of people? (not supposed to answer that)

What i am saying is that there will only be a minority of hardcoe guys that will feel this way about the game, to many people the thought of complaining about a game (that looks fantastic) because of reasons such as not coming shipped with DX9 is completely out of mind. People will be like DX9? ok, then install it and see that it looks fantastic.

The game has its issues, but all modern games do. Do you know that Battlefield Bad Company sold more copies on the PC than on the consoles combined. Many companies are looking at the PC for the future and the market is strong. Blizzard games are record breakers and its no secret that wow is the most popular game in the world.


Consoles provide a price competitive approach to gaming and the market is stronger there, but PC gaming is doing fine.


In my eyes and the eyes of many Crysis 2 is a great game, it has a lot of potencial and the quality is fantastic, if you go back 10 years its amazing how far games have come. I really can't see what is wrong with this game.

They will fix the bugs, sort out the servers and patch in DX11, and even if it did stay as DX9 it still looks fantastic.

This poster is right on the money, can't wait for Battlefield 3. Well until then I have Battlefield Bad Company 2 which looks awesome in 3D and still gives me an awesome experience every time I play it.

I hate to say it but WE killed pc games...

From Crytek in 2008 - http://www.1up.com/news/crytek-games-longer-exclusive:
"We are suffering currently from the huge piracy that is encompassing Crysis," said Yerli. "Similar games on consoles sell factors of 4-5 more. It was a big lesson for us, and I believe we won't have PC exclusives as we did with Crysis in future."
As a community we didn't do enough to help stop piracy. Not sure what we could have done, maybe bash our piraty friends?

That's why MMORPG's are doing so well, you really can't enjoy a pirated/private server as much as the real thing.

you can't seriously take yerli's opinions as fact. first, he is not going to blame the failure of his game on his own company. secondly, he has talked crysis 2 up so much and now that it is out we see all the false statements for what they are. he has no credibility at this point.

pirating exists on consoles too. all you need is a modded xbox which isn't uncommon now. and there are multiple ways to do so. also, does anyone remember this?

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/10/10/fallout-3-leaked-torrents

cracked first on the xbox i believe. pc pirating kills gaming my butt!

well.. If pirating is such a big deal.

I would be really happy with consoles if I get mouse and keyboard, dedicated servers.

they could release new console every 2-3 years with seriously upgraded hardware and I would buy it!
THE END! piracy problem solved and all FPS fans get to play games at fullest with keyb and mouse.~

good gaming does not have to be only on PC-s but at the moment I cannot call FPS gaming even "good" at consoles... even if 12 mln console users says so. ITS just not good!

controller svcks period and makes FPS games svck on consoles too

Crysis 1 was not a failure. It sold 3,000,000 copies and was profitable. Cevat is just greedy.

pc gaming is dead , yea right!!!

its just that crytek is no longer a pc dev and they are console dev at this point.


But pc gamers don't fret!!!

Battlefield 3 and Heroes of Stalingrad Red Orchestra 2, both of those games will be true pc games

1 game is bad and PC gaming is dead, you're a idiot OP. Go be melodramatic with your other fellow people here on this forum and whine more.

Pirated content comes from consoles first.
Console pirating is growing faster then pc gaming
Its a endless cycle.

Fact is there are more console gamers then PC gamers. As family's have consoles for there kids. Which is a higher chance of revenue.

Saying PC gaming is dead, is like saying the radio is dead due to TV, and library's are closed due to the internet.

Rage is just rage. Unhappy people will be unhappy. The rage for PC version of crysis 2 understandable though. Shafted hard.

Crytek - listen strongly to your roots (pc gaming(crysis 1)) your true fans you have kicked in the nads with this. I suggest with your 'patch' for DX 11, you also make it more PC friendly.

I posted this in another thread, but I think it's applicable here.

At this point, DICE's Battlefield 3 is my last hope for PC gaming. They've promised repeatedly that it will be made a PC game FIRST, then ported to consoles. I'm actually somewhat surprised that EA is letting them get away with that. If it's a flop, I'm calling PC gaming dead in the water, doomed to suffer an eternity of console ports.

Let's face it, PC is just not as lucrative as consoles. The capabilities of consoles now are good enough that the average person is willing to settle for what they can provide, despite the fact that PC may provide a better experience - they don't know any better. But the bigger issue is piracy. If you want to blame one thing for the state of PC gaming now, it's piracy. Big releases like Crysis 2 suffer without fail zero-day OR WORSE (pre-release) piracy and leaks, which are almost nonexistent on consoles. The amount of sales the publishers and developers lose to piracy on PC is substantial, and those losses do not exist on consoles.

Bearing this in mind, the publishers will know exactly why PC gaming died. Because they've taken active steps to kill it, along with the console manufacturers. Realistically, we should have all seen this coming when Microsoft entered the console market, or at the latest, when it became obvious that their Games for Windows LIVE was going to be a flop. Microsoft no longer has a vested interest in attracting game development on the PC. But the business model of the Xbox and Xbox 360 is such that they lose money on each console sold, but profit on each game sold. That should speak for itself.

How long do you think it will be until we see more aggressive steps from Microsoft to push gaming away from Windows, and onto consoles? How many more PC-compatible DirectX releases do you think we'll see? Game companies aren't even using the current standard anymore - they're sticking with DX9, the Windows XP standard, to try to eke out a little bit more money from the PC market, since XP is still the most common OS out there. Personally I'd be ecstatic if we made it to DX13 on PC.

I see only 2 ways that this downward slide can be slowed or stopped:

1) Hardware manufacturers (nVidia, ATI, etc.) still have a vested interest in the PC market. But they can easily be bought by the console manufacturers by licensing their hardware for consoles.

2) An easy, widely-available, and widely adopted means of pirating console games is devised. This would bring the consoles "down" to the level of the PC in the eyes of the accountants at EA and the other major publishers.

Whatever the case, the current state, and current outlook, of PC gaming is not good. At best we're dying, and at worst we're already dead.

Btw. Read PC Gamer's 89 score review of Crysis 2

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/22/crysis-2-review-2/


Does that match up to what everyone else is saying on the forums? They literally didn't mention anything about Crysis 2 being DX9.

The tons of pissed off readers / comments did though.

I've had suspicions for several years now that EA pays and/or otherwise leans on popular game reviewing websites/publications to get better reviews for their games. Either that, or the critics are going soft.

If this is to long dont read it:
Lissen man you are 100% WAY off. 1st I'd like to say YES Crysis 2 is crap compaired to the 1st one. Look at a persons face in the first one compaired to the 2nd game... So for the people who say we wouldn't complain if it was listed as DX11 but looked the same YOU GUYS ARE WRONG. 2nd to Brun1234 PC gaming is FAR from dead. It has grown at a steady 3% each year where the amount of councel gamers has fallen. Steam alone has over 30 million users. Just because this game was a flop does not mean PC gaming is doomed... Phyicx is amazing in games that support it like Mafia 2, Mirrors edge, Batman Archam asylum, ect. They look and play WAY better on PC then councel. Metro 2033 HUGE differance vs. xbox. AND almost any game that is a councel port still looks better on a PC due to higher rezolution and AA. So stop your STUPID IDEAS about PC gaming is DEAD. Its NOT DEAD. Just Cause 2, another great game that uses Directx 11. Ailen vs Preditor, I could go on and on. about how many PC games that are NOT PORTS and look amazing on PC. I am a pc gamer for 3 reasons. 1) better graphecs, 2) keybord and mouse is way better than controler, and 3) ITS CHEAPER TO BE A PC GAMER! YES THATS RIGHT IT IS CHEAPER. Most people have a PC that has a PCIE slot. I just bought a GTX 570 for $300 (the cost of a councel) and put it in my 4 year old computer and it plays every game on HIGH! Since PC games are cheaper than Councle games I will of saved the cost of the Graphics card in less than a year. Just Cause I got off steam for $7.50 at walmart its $40 for xbox. I got GTA IV for $5. Even at walmart GTA IV is $20 for PC and $30 for councle. point I'm making is PC gaming is really cheaper if you know what your doing. and if you like a controler you can hook up both PS3 or xbox controler to it... So their is no excuse for a person to not be a PC gamer. Here is a couple physicx game previews that show what im talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXKwbhYYLuo&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0xRJt8rcmY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdJ_-56svL0&feature=related
So do yourself a favor and go buy a councle if you ever think PC gameing is dead or even looks close to a councle.

Pirated content comes from consoles first.
Console pirating is growing faster then pc gaming
This. Most of pre-release leaks are console leaks, not PC. Crysis 2 was one of very few exceptions to this. The myth of PC piracy is what big companies want You to see as an excuse for their actions, because Consoles give more profit - games there are twice-three times more expensive and there's far more games for PCs than consoles making competition greater and less people buying ****-titles.

It's even more silly when games considered by PC players as these with poor storyline and poor gameplay are amazing for console players.
Well, obviously they never had a chance to put their hands on quality games, just crap big companies develop en-masse this days, so when something average (like C2) comes out the console players are furious-happy with it and start calling names on PC players who don't like it.

PC Gaming, in my honest opinion, is definitely not dead. There are loads of people playing tons of games on the PC that aren't even MMO's. Battlefield 3 is not my last hope, because I do not have a last hope. Most of these games are multi-platform. In-fact, I'm fairly sure BF3 will be playable on the X360 and PS3. I'm looking forward to Portal 2, Brink, The Witcher 2 and a few other titles that I can't think of right now. I don't consider something a true 'PC' game unless it has customizable features. Such as you're able to produce your own skins for things, not client-side only skins but actual skins such as the ones seen in All Points Bulletin (Which is being revived as APB: Reloaded and will be Free to Play). One thing most PC Games are missing, is the ability for players to make Maps or at-least edit the packaged maps to allow more variety (Such as Halo 3 or Halo: Reach's Forge, although I think both Forge's are pieces of crap.)

I still have hope for Cry2, but the developers really need to get moving on releasing more patches that fix actual issues. It's nearly been a week since the release date and nothing has been done whatsoever.

Back in 1998 when games came out for PC, they worked. Why? Because we didn't have high-speed internet to have a live-chat with tech-support, up-load a video of something glitching, or even massive amounts of forums to flame on. Crytek begged people not to download the leaked version of Crysis 2. What I do not understand is how the LEAKED RUSSIAN BETA runs better than the full-release. I am not kidding you at all. And lets not forget about the multiplayer demo. It runs better than the official game.. Why? It sounds weird but this all can't be right. Conspiracy? Nooo.. Wait.. What the ****?..

I just don't think that the whole DX9/DX11 thing is the be all and end all. A see it as a symptom of the problem, but not the biggest issue. There are too many other things wrong about the whole feel of this game to be saying that.

I personally don't own a crossfire or SLI setup. And truth be told I would be running the game in DX9 mode anyway, if it gave me better performance. And when some of you talk about how Crysis was a DX10 game, that just isn't true, because it looks just as good in DX9 as it does in DX10, when you've altered those CVARS. And I played through Warhead the other day in DX9 mode. It looked great. I think DX9 can still hold its own and most DX11 game I have played like Dirt 2 and F1 2010 (console ports, I know) look the same in DX11 as they do in DX9.

Still, I'm not going to apologise for lazy development, they should be using DX11 because it's better than DX9 at the end of the day. I could forgive Crytek for only making this game in DX9, but it's everything else about the game that makes it feel so consolised.