I used some console commands to give me stuff to quickly level up, and set my smithing, one handed, two handed, light and heavy armor skills to 100, I added perks as I leveled up to the Light Armor side of Smithing, and when I got to Dragon, I couldn't pick up Draedic, you really have to get the heavy pre reqs after all. For comparison(Dmg/Weight format):

Glass War Axe
31/16
Daedric War Axe
36/18

Glass Warhammer
36/29
Daedric Warhammer
41/31

The 5 dmg difference holds true to the Sword too, Mace has a 4 dmg difference.

Also, base Dragon Armor is indeed inferior to Daedric, but superior to Glass, I don't know if it's inferior fully upgraded, I'm going to try to find the item ids to make and upgrade the armors somehow to test it.

Well, alot of people aren't gonna like this news, but news it is. Thanks OP.

oh! can you tell me what advanced armors is doing? plate scale? advanced? explain! please!

There's only a one point difference between one-handed and two handed weapons?! Please tell me you had a high one handed skill and low two-handed skill.

Actually yes, I'll set them both to 100 and edit my post.

EDIT: updated.

Glass is good enough for me. Maybe after level 50 I'll take the rest of Smithing.

The description says it allows you to make Scaled and Plate armors, I found some Scaled armors under the Steel tab, but I couldn't find any Plate, unless it's refering to Dragonplate, but that'd be silly since that's heavy armor and not light...

Is there any advantage to doing so? what I am meaning is: is there steel cuirass, and with advanced armor- steel plate curiass?
or leather and scaled leather.

is it improving a base armor with scales or plate?
or is it a separate piece with no definite advantage except a step in the chain.

Sorry if that is confusing.

Oh yeah, there it is. Well let me explain everything how I think it unlocks:

There are

Steel X
Scaled X
Steel Plate X

X being the variable, like boots, bracers and armor. What is funny though is that Steel Plate is actually Heavy Armor... which is weird, since it unlocks from the Light Armor side of the tree. But Scaled is Light. I believe you only have Steel unlocked when you get Steel Smithing, then when you get Advanced Armors, you unlock both Scaled and Steel Plate variants, which are in the same sub menu.

There are no Steel Plate or Scaled weapons though.

Is Scaled Steel better than Elven?

Elven Armor has 41 armor
Scaled Armor has 45 armor

So yes.

Oh baby I can get steel ingots a lot easier than Elven

Wait; is there scaled Elven?

This is it, thanks. So it is an "advanced improvement" of a base material. Great to know..

I wonder if this will appear in the loot list. I hope so.

I am assuming from your initial data that, as Sgt mentioned, it scales up with more advanced materials? meaning at the end, a master smith would have a "plate" variant of daedric. or a master light armor smith would have scale elven or glass?

IF the above is true, even heavy armor smiths are forced to take that route to advanced, so.. extra perk required I guess.


Thanks much for the quick responses. It is good info. Ironic, since I plan on taking no smith perks

I believe that specific perk only applies to Steel. Everything I did I posted on the OP. I don't know if there are any other ways of getting armor recipes besides getting the perks, but if that's it, then only steel has different variants, the rest are pretty much just 1 form for each piece, no scaled elven or draconic plate.


It seems to me if you're melee you must go Heavy, or waste perks to get to heavy, unless you can just live with Glass being a bit worse to save perks and use light armor. I find the glass weapons don't fit my character concept very well so I think I'll just switch to heavy...

If it is just a steel variant then whatever I guess. People going the light armor route will enjoy it for a bit. Good to know either way.

Kind of a ripoff for a one-armor perk

so can you craft bows from blacksmithing?

Yes.


I'm gonna go play now so I won't be answering more questions for now, couldn't find item IDs, if anyone knows how to obtain them somehow through the files please let me know so I can fully upgrade Dragon and Daedric Armor...

Honestly, the whole system is a bit confusing. They never even mention if there are any scale or plate armors aside from the steel ones.

Steel plate sounds like it could look good, actually. Pure speculation, of course.

So is there a definite answer on Dragonbone weapons?

There are no Dragonbone weapons, at least not through perks.

Oh well. ˉ\_(ツ)_/ˉ

So you are forced to use light weapons (aka glass) as a light armor user even if it's inferior then daedric?

Anyway just please confirm if you can upgrade daedric weapons, if you can then it's no big deal, but if you can't honestly you are better off with alteration and using summoned weapons :/

Conjured weapons are in the conjuration school.

Anyway there's the option to go for the heavy armour smithing path to reach dragon armour. You won't be able to craft any other light armour but you will have access to the best weapons and light armour. This might not be the best thing while you"re levelling, but it's a solution.

Once you got the Dragon armor perk did it allow you to make both the light and heavy variants of the dragon armor?
I am playing a light armor build but i want to make daedric weapons and don't care that much about the other light armors other than dragon
so i figure i will take the heavy armor side, amusing i will be able to make light dragon armor without the glass perk.

If not, time for a new plan....