They defiantly picked a great time, lot of room to work around with.

I imagine it takes place around 2e600-2e700, that time lacks info and the Argonian/ other Races alliance makes sense because the disease that wiped out all the non-Argonian in black marsh was still a very recent memory.

True, but we dont know exactly when the MMO takes place, only thing Ive read is '1000 years before Skyrim'
Also, the only mention of the founding of the first Dominion is in PGE1.
If we apply a slight margin of error to both dates, they are close enough.

And I disagree that the Triune would so callously turn people away, especially if there are favourable trade agreements, most favoured nation statuses etc. for the Dunmer to be gotten out of.
Vivec is a diplomat and Almalexia a stateswoman. Sil likely doesnt care.

This alliance between the Nord, Argonians and Dunmer is also a nice set-up for the later hostility between the latter two and the Dunmer.
Possibly the Dunmer milked the protection their gods could offer for all they could get.

No, you're not hearing me. The Dunmer literally consider Nords and Argonians to be on the same level, as far as morality and honor and treating them and speaking ot them, as their [censored] guar and netch herds. They're animals. Slaves. You don't forge alliances with them. Before Vivec stepped in to forge an armistice the Dunmer were more than willing to fight to the last with Tiber Septim even if it meant their annihilation. Tons of people lost faith in Vivec when he did that. Lots of people went to the Sixth House. You can encounter a few of these people playing Morrowind (e.g. Orvas Dren). This is a period of TES history where everyone hates everyone.

I'm speaking on the time frame this MMO is set, the alliances -do not make sense- nearly everyone grouped up hates one other in that alliance D: they have a badass signet though

Ok, there are basically three types of races, Man, Mer and Beast. I'm partial to the idea that the Dragon is Human, Bird is Mer and Lion is Beast, all vying for dominion of Cyrodil.

Tiber takes place at a (this is assuming that the 1000 years before Skyrim is true) a couple hundred years after this game, and Morrowind somewere around 300 years after that.

Wartime alliances between unlikely allies is not uncommon at all. Just look at WW2.

Im still unsure.
I want to see how it is done first before I say it breaks existing lore.
If the game does break existing lore then I simply wont play it, but I dont know enough to say that.
There are alliances possible. Would Hlaalu really object to profit, even if it means trading with animals?
Dres might get some nice Argonian slaves in exhange for the alliance.
Redoran and Idoril are insular and introspective and simply wouldnt care much, avoid it if possible.

I still say it wouldnt fit Vivec, or Almalexia, to not take an opportunity to forge such an alliance, if there was something in it for them.

Oh, forgot to mention: Molag Bal is presented as a serious threat at a time when ALMSIVI was at full power. I'll remind you that Almalexia and Sotha Sil single-handedly beat the living crap out of an avatar of Mehrunes Dagon after he destroyed her city.

This is correct.

Let me repost something I printed adressing this:

'I can see it fitting his sphere. If he had a plan for it to work that is consistent with current lore on the topic, the most important barrier in his way is the Daedra pact with Sotha Sil by which Daedra lords only heed the summons of powerful wizards or witch covens on auspicious days.
There is also the (largely apocryphal, though not completely so) lore of the towers that hold the world up and protect it from Oblivion.

If the Lord of [laughing ponies] finds a way to circumvent these things, possibly by a subversion of the literal rules, hes not invading but swallowing, or allowing Nirn to drift into Coldharbour by something mortals did, then that would be right up his ally.
I think.

Edit: Another possible barrier for Molag Bal is the Triune.
If Dagoth Ur still sleeps under Red Mountain at the time this is set, theyll be at the height of their power.
If its set after he has awoken he will have done so recently and the Triune will have only missed one renewal, and would still be active gods.
Vivec wont like his people being swallowed by a god he already defeated once.'

The story is that Molag Bal is trying to svck Nirn into Coldharbour, similar what happened tohttp://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tal_Marog_Ker%27s_Researches.
Maybe he got the idea from there.
He is prevented from acting on Tamriel, but does that also mean that he is prevented from swallowing Tamriel into Oblivion?

This subversion of the literal rules that prevent Daedric intervention, this abuse of a loophole, fits his sphere perfectly I would say.

And Towers are completly ignored.

Then what was the whole point of Oblivion?

(They are pretty useless ideas if, with a little bit of "cunning" Molag Bal manages to subvert, all of them.)

I hope we haven't spent years in the Lore forum talking about the Wheel and the Tower for it all to be rendered obsolete for the sake of the online gamers.

It only happened once though, and obviously it didnt work in the end.

I think this would be before the pacts..I THINK. Before Sotha Struck the deal, Wizards, witch Covens, and Cabals could summon near unlimited Armies of Daedra at will or even by an act of an event reflective of a Daedric sphere, can also summon them. such as a Massive bloodbath invariably summons Dagon without effort.

Merari, I remember you prior to Skyrim's release, and it kinda hurts me to see you scrambling so hard to try and justify this. It's a cash grab that has no respect for established lore at all. The sooner you realize that it's not going to be anything anyone hoped the sooner you'll be able to spare yourself the pain.

For the record you were right about Skyrim. Dumbed-down is the word. You were worried about how Nighteye would look in the game. Bet you didn't think it wouldn't matter unless you played a Khajiit.

That would be a nice get out of jail card, but alas the 2920 books, where the event is described, are about the last year of the first era.

So yeah, the imperials are the "bad guys". They're working with Mannimarco who apparently promised his services to make them great again, and is actually secretly trying to merge tamriel with coldharbour.

The Dunmer/Nord/Argonian alliance seems laughable to me. Especially considering the Dunmer harvesting the Hist.

Summerset/Valenwood makes sense, but not the khajiit part.

Daggerfall/Hammerfell makes sense, but not the Orsinium part.

I know. But the point is, that it could not have even happened once were it not for the sabotage of the towers in each game...

WHAT? THE SENSE, SHE DOES NOT MAKE. so many things "wut" going on in that statement

So true that I never would have guessed that ><

Im trying to keep an open mind for this MMO.
If there is a way to fit things into existing lore without breaking it, Im willing to explore that.
I think that at this point I just dont have enough information to say that it has no respect for established lore.
Im a lore monkey though and the lore is more important to me than the games, especially since I didnt really like the last two ones.
So if in the end I find that this breaks things with convenience retcons and such galore, then I wont play it.

While I dont have enough information however, I find it more interesting to see if I can use existing lore to make this fit.

Is this sourced? Because...oh, dear.

The "Dark Anchors" thing broke it already, man. Let it go. Hope for someone else to try and cater to our niche of people who want open-world RPGs with so much depth that it would drown the average casual gamer in numbers. I'm not even angry about this sort of thing anymore. TES may not be quite dead but this thing? This ain't TES. Not by a long shot.

Again, I dont think this is that bad.
Quite interesting actually.
This is a pre-apotheosis Mannimarco and these machinations go some way to explaining why he was such a political force in third era Illiac Bay.

That was more of a personal 'I don't think that sounds very interesting' oh, dear than a 'that ruins everything forever' oh, dear.

On the other hand, nothing I've heard thus far is giving me very much confidence.

Maybe I can make sense of this.

Dragon= Imperials, Skyrim, Hammerfell and High Rock under a tentative empire(We REALLY need an exact date for this thing to accurately guess).
Phoenix/Eagle= Aldmeri Dominion: Valenwood and Summerset.
Lion= Elsweyr with a loose and uneasy alliance with Argonia. They do not exactly love each other either.

Neutral Party- Morrowind. They are the only nation at that time to have no part of the Empire other than a war that they won. They have the Tribunal at the height of their power. They are arguably just as powerful as any other group. Yet they would not identify with any of the other powers. They do not like the Empire and they have shown they will viciously defend themselves from them, they do not have a good history with the Human races. They HATE and distrust the Altmer and have a completely different metaphysical outlook. They don't even consider the Argonians or Khajiit as people. Just potential and easily gotten slaves. Thus I say they will be a Neutral party.

But the Aldmeri Dominion have the Khajiit in it with the other elves and the Argonians are in w/ the nords & Dunmer.

Molag Bal's presence seems to be scaring everyone to stink with these alliances TO THE LORE FORUMS