what do you mean?
what level are you what buildup you use and what are you experiencing exactly?

The spells don't scale in Destruction. So the starting spell that does 8dmg a sec...yeah, at level 50, still does 8dmg. Eventually, the enemies will scale to a level where that becomes negligible. However, Conjuration at least has the bound weapons and alteration has shield spells so those are at least still useful.

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buy new spells....
and actually they do scale...perks

Is it me or does focusing on one school of magic seem too unrealistic now? I have always loved that I can favor restoration personally and that my character in game can thrive from that. They removed a lot of spells and the ability to drain life from an opponent seems to be one. I've never ever liked destruction or conjuration, which seem to be the offense of magic. But trust me, they do look better and cooler in Skyrim, I just don't like them personally. I am now forced to pick up the one handed skill, not because I want to because I am forced to. I cant just heal and heal and heal myself, hoping the enemy dies from complete boredom or just gives up and walks away (which is funny, because my restoration is so high that i CAN do that and you would think one of the two WOULD happen). They tossed us Bane Of The Undead, which the title speaks for itself. That spell obviously isnt going to protect you from the many enemies skyrim tosses at you. There are mages, specifically at the college, whom seem like they have focused all their time in specific schools of magic, so it only seems fair that each one grants you specific ways to play all aspects of the game. It looks to be missing. I know this is a personal rant but I am close-minded to being a thief or a warrior. The elder scrolls was always welcoming to that type of close-mindedness.

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buy new spells....
and actually they do scale...perks

It's not enough. At higher levels, say 50-70, the difference becomes very noticeable :/

Being able to imagine everyone in the game as free thinkers and previous adventures was always the point in the elder scrolls. You look at a character and think, "I wonder what they did before this". But you'll never know because you are just meeting them now. That ability of imagination has always been fascinating to me. Even though someone in the mages college was programmed there and programmed to say the things they say, you'd like to believe there was more to them than just that and The Elder Scrolls can still let you do so. This is off-topic to my initial rant but all the same, I do enjoy skyrim. I am going to have to find a new niche in the game though.

like I said buy new spells, spells are not suposed to scale in dmg only in cast cost.. you are not ment to use aprentice and novice spells at 50-70, you need to buy the better spells. then you will have notice scaling.

lol you say this like its a good thing. the ai is still horrible in this game(and the companions are very annoying)

Lol. You can get +50% elemental damage. Meanwhile melee fighters or archers can get the damage perks, PLUS + damage on rings and gear and weapons.

Magic damage can't be buffed by gear. Thus, doesn't scale past perks.

Is it me or does focusing on one school of magic seem too unrealistic now? I have always loved that I can favor restoration personally and that my character in game can thrive from that. They removed a lot of spells and the ability to drain life from an opponent seems to be one. I've never ever liked destruction or conjuration, which seem to be the offense of magic. But trust me, they do look better and cooler in Skyrim, I just don't like them personally. I am now forced to pick up the one handed skill, not because I want to because I am forced to. I cant just heal and heal and heal myself, hoping the enemy dies from complete boredom or just gives up and walks away (which is funny, because my restoration is so high that i CAN do that and you would think one of the two WOULD happen). They tossed us Bane Of The Undead, which the title speaks for itself. That spell obviously isnt going to protect you from the many enemies skyrim tosses at you. There are mages, specifically at the college, whom seem like they have focused all their time in specific schools of magic, so it only seems fair that each one grants you specific ways to play all aspects of the game. It looks to be missing. I know this is a personal rant but I am close-minded to being a thief or a warrior. The elder scrolls was always welcoming to that type of close-mindedness.

I think its a good thing, prly could be done better, but considering there are builds that make good use of companions and builds that do better without them.... yeah... I think it turned out more than ok.
The AI is actually pretty good, things considering, pathing however... is very anoying in certain situations.




so what you people are saying is that archery and melee scale better, that I can agree with... yet, in my experience so far, spells are baseline much more powerfull and/or pratical....
almost all spells have much higher base damage than melee or archey, they come with pratical effects or capabilities, such as draining stamina or mana, debuffing, or crowd control, AoE, traps/wards, etc.

dont get me wrong Im nowhere near the higher levels, Im still running around experimenting with my 3 characters at lvl 25-30 on master difficulty, but so far.. I have NOT felt underscaled or gimped with any of them.
but so far I havnt seen anyone properly demonstrate why they are "gimped" as mage without me having more than a few things that dont fit right about it.

No, you wont. You're not understanding the facts.

A new spell is like a new weapon.
However, you cannot improve a spell's damage, unlike a weapon's damage. Capisce?

You're only level 25-30. That's the level range in which spells are intended. They haven't even had a chance to 'scale' yet, so I don't know why you're talking about scaling.

Check back with us at level 40-50. That'd have more semblance with the topic of scaling.


For example, how much +% damage can you get on your gear to help your spells remain relevant at higher levels?
Zero.

Eventually you'll get to the point where you need to increase the damage your spells do, but don't have any way of doing so. So you're left with spells that deal hardly any damage to level 50+ enemies in the game.

sorry your preferred build has been spoiled OP , but to be honest you can't expect them to build the whole game to suit one person , thats madness, Surely it time for you to find a new style? maybe an even better one ? think positive and try something new

there is no +dmg gear? I could've sworn I saw enchants like those around? what aboout debuffs?
so how much dows say a 1 hander sword hit for and how much does a single target spell hit for at those levels?

at level 25-30 its even. But a weapon user (bow or melee) will be able to get +damage gear later on, while a mage cannot.

There is no +dmg gear for SPELLS, only for weapons.

at level 25-30 its even. But a weapon user (bow or melee) will be able to get +damage gear later on, while a mage cannot.

There is no +dmg gear for SPELLS, only for weapons.

I wanted to be able to summon Al Pachino with conjuration but I can't. Bethesda ruined magic in skyrim. They're too close-minded to be able to summon Al Pachino...

Sarcasm aside, it is foolish to think you should be able to play EXACTLY as you want, unless you single handedly designed everything in the game.