Most of the heavy problems is due to inexperience

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:09 pm

Obviously people with zero problems have clean PC with no weird settings and shovelware, tons of stuff running , broken installations etc

I just got the game surprisingly, i won't be playing it throught this busy weekend so more on monday but i just installed 11.9 catalysts, got all those rageconfigs together into one and applied that, the game crashes on startup , but i found a workaround, pressing alt-tab at the start makes the game work and then just tab in when i hear intro sound. I got command line params too.


So inside the game there's constant flickering of corrupted textures all over the screen ... this is a driver problem so that's understandable. Texture loading isn't the best yet but it's quite playable, actually it's very good game besides these things, i only did the first quest.


One particular bug that i will stress out is BEING STUCK , i was stuck TWICE and i needed to kill my self but i forgot to see if there is a /kill cmd in the console , well but there is something "mising" a command called "show_pos" or "dump_pos" to display or save into file the PLAYER COORDINATE POSITION so i will be able to SUBMIT that for bug fixing. I still remember when these 2 places are, please notify carmack to add player position command (i remember it from call of duty but maybe IW added that)

Some games were able to unstuck but here it was completely impossible, acting wacky pressing all buttons crouch prone did not work, but somehow throwing a grenade below you somehow makes you unstuck when your damaged, but it didn't always work.



Some are reporting way more problems and those may have much more chance to arise from crappy PC maintenance and general PC health. There is really a lot less of those valid guys "coincidentials" that do have great PC management but still have a big problem like BSOD.

There is hard to fix stability for many configurations , still many are valid such as mass reports of crashes when starting to CTDs ... in between the mess some of them have something due to improper driver installs, be sure to use DriverSweeper to clean out the mess before reinstalling if your unsure about it.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:59 pm

Obviously people with zero problems have clean PC with no weird settings and shovelware, tons of stuff running , broken installations etc
Well i have Advanced system care and i run Deep care function every day. It fixes registry and tons of other stuff. Plus running hdd defragment and optimization once a week. On top of that running Gamebooster 3 to shut down any process and application not necessary for running games. Using fixes on this forum,latest drivers for all components in my PC and still game works like sh*t. Problems with texture loading and tearing. Played the game for half an hour and will put it on hold untill they patch it up and Nvidia releases new drivers. :snoring:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:48 pm

Well it's not only about automated programs , manual tweaks and maintenance is required if you're virus prone, im not virus prone at al so little gets screwd up by it self.

Stuff like broken software stops working and you neeed to fix it when at will , it's all about fixing when it's broken not waiting when you frogot all traces of what went on when in 2 years you got PC full of issues.

Other than that we just need to wait.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:34 pm

I have fresh win7 installed with updates and regular tuning in settings. Doesn`t work for me.

What you say reminded me time when I played some game on DOS and had to press Enter, Space, Escape - exactly in this order during startup to make it work. :biggrin:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:35 am

It is apparently difficult for some people to understand. But, the computers that are having problems are systems that actually work...the users aren't having problems all the time. The root of the problem is that RAGE was developed and tested on just two systems...PS3 and Xbox360. As a long time developer I can tell you that there are always problems during development...some feature or other just doesn't work like it's supposed to and a decision has to be made on whether to compromise and reduce a feature's quality or quantity or to use a hack of some kind to get around the problem. This is also the option of research and development of doing the feature the right way. RAGE apparently has had both of the first two decisions predominately applied to the game using techniques only available on the consoles...resulting in some PC configurations (like half the graphics cards i.e. all AMD GPUs) not working right at all which means crashing (due to using a hack to solve a development problem) or crappy textures (reducing a feature quality). Id is not going to pursue the third option with RAGE which is to redesign and recode the problem areas using proper methodology consistent with stable PC development techniques.

I'd also like to point out that the driver problems you mention are not that there was anything wrong with the drivers...the problem was that special drivers were required by RAGE because idsoftware did some things that weren't valid for PC hardware and the drivers are either fixing the problem or just preventing RAGE from using certain features.

Also, the problem you encountered i.e. crashing at start up and being able to alt-tab back into the game...is also due to development on consoles with PC support only an afterthought. And, it is not just RAGE which has this problem. Nearly every game that was ever developed for the consoles and ported to the PC has this problem. It's caused by the failure of the game code to properly initialize the graphics settings with something that the graphics card and monitor support i.e. the game tries to start up with a typical TV 1080i or 1080p full-screen setting without even checking to see if the PCs hardware supports it, or just doesn't check properly. The evidence that proves this is the fact that the game will actually run in the background and render the graphics in memory while the PC can't display it on the screen. While some games alt-tab does work, the root of the problem is that there is no such thing as windowed mode in consoles. All games which crash on the PC at startup due to improperly selected or initialized graphics settings can be fixed by running the game windowed so that the graphics settings can be adjusted. A good example of a proper PC port is Deus Ex: Human Revolution which the PC version got a whole new configuration application that can be run prior to ever running the game.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:05 am

You can clean your windows as much as you like but over time it will become slower and slower. That's why i do a clean installation and fresh start every 6 months. Runs much smoother. :thumbsup:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:05 am

A good example of a proper PC port is Deus Ex: Human Revolution which the PC version got a whole new configuration application that can be run prior to ever running the game.
Deus EX:Human revolution for consoles was made by Eidos. PC version was made by Nixxes. It still has many problems with crashing and stuttering.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:49 pm

True, but this is not the case. Rage is severely broken and needs to be fixed.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:25 am

This may be true. However one shouldn't have to be a rocket scientist to play a game. Also, many people usually have problems with most games. Yet the rate of issues going on here.. can't all be peoples own fault for sure.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:18 am

I actually made an account to post here to say:

This is the stupidest [censored] I have ever read on a forum.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:16 pm

I actually made an account to post here to say:

This is the stupidest [censored] I have ever read on a forum.

warm welcome to you!

stewox, your right.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:30 pm

You are making a claim that the reason people have probelms is that they svck at computers. That is idiotic.
idSoft and Bethesda screwed up. When you release a game, you're not supposed to release a game that "only works for people who know how to make custom config files".

I bought this game for €49,99, and I expect to be able to play it after installing it. I do not expect to be forced to tweak config settings hidden away in some far away folder.
I have a fresh windows install (2 days ago. No silly programs. No silly settings. Just a clean windows install on a brand new SSD and the newest drivers)
Running a HD6950, X6 1055t, 8 gig ram and a HyperX SSD. I even did all the custom config crap and the new drivers, but I still get textures popping out all over the place - and generally terrible performance.

I know... stop blaming users for Bethesda/idsoft screwups, and actually acknowledge that they need to release a game that works. That way, people like you don't have to come in and try and belittle everyone who have genuine problems with a product they spent €50 on.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:00 pm

I find this response interesting. I feel like I am being told that I am stupid because I have had so much trouble getting this game to work. The problem with your theory is that it does not hold up well. Evidence in my case proves this. After fuddling through the various fixes here provided by the community (most notably a lack of presence of developers, I may be wrong) I managed to fix my game myself. How did I do this? I uninstalled catalyst completely. I could finally start a game and it didn't take 10 mins to just see a choppy cyro tube. Yet, wanting to verify that I really made a change I reinstalled the drivers to see how the game responded. And not suprisingly I was back to 2 fps, uninstalling the drivers again and the game works(at least enough to allow me to play it, it is still far from being competent. Logic here tells me its an issue with game, drivers or both.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:02 am

...really?

My PC is fine, looking at news sites around the net will show you that this isn't about people not taking care of their PCs.

I don't even know what to say to that. If that's what you want to believe then knock yourself out.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:26 pm

I got rid of the tearing by forcing VSync in the driver.
Texture popping is almost not present with 4x AA.
Game runs fast, smooth and stable.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:14 pm

This thread is flame-bait and needs to be locked.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:54 am

This thread is flame-bait and needs to be locked.

I agree this (OP) guy's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:07 am

Obviously people with zero problems have clean PC with no weird settings and shovelware, tons of stuff running , broken installations etc

Some are reporting way more problems and those may have much more chance to arise from crappy PC maintenance and general PC health. There is really a lot less of those valid guys "coincidentials" that do have great PC management but still have a big problem like BSOD.

There is hard to fix stability for many configurations , still many are valid such as mass reports of crashes when starting to CTDs ... in between the mess some of them have something due to improper driver installs, be sure to use DriverSweeper to clean out the mess before reinstalling if your unsure about it.

Listen asshat, I have over 50 games on my PC, very clean. I am a computer support pro for over 10 years, I know how to fix PCs, this is the only game with problems like this. I have downgraded to 11.8 and now I can sort of play, huge texture pop in and low framerates. Don't be a condescending [censored].
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:48 am

Well said Rockn-Roll.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:15 pm

Deus EX:Human revolution for consoles was made by Eidos. PC version was made by Nixxes. It still has many problems with crashing and stuttering.

I have deus ex and it crash only 1 time in the entire playtrought...1 freaking time...not like RAGE that crash in every zone or so [censored]
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:20 am

You are making a claim that the reason people have probelms is that they svck at computers. That is idiotic.
idSoft and Bethesda screwed up. When you release a game, you're not supposed to release a game that "only works for people who know how to make custom config files".

I bought this game for €49,99, and I expect to be able to play it after installing it. I do not expect to be forced to tweak config settings hidden away in some far away folder.
I have a fresh windows install (2 days ago. No silly programs. No silly settings. Just a clean windows install on a brand new SSD and the newest drivers)
Running a HD6950, X6 1055t, 8 gig ram and a HyperX SSD. I even did all the custom config crap and the new drivers, but I still get textures popping out all over the place - and generally terrible performance.

I know... stop blaming users for Bethesda/idsoft screwups, and actually acknowledge that they need to release a game that works. That way, people like you don't have to come in and try and belittle everyone who have genuine problems with a product they spent €50 on.

See what you fail to understand is: These people using the tweaks and what not have had the same problems as you. The few to get the game to work with these tweaks actually know the correct spots and the right commands to use. Most likely due to playing older id games. This uses the same engine and console commands as older id tech games. Configs are not anything new to get a game working. I think its so cute how half of you complain about having to use config files, something that's been around for along time. Forever, something all PC Gamers need to know about. Remember when you played Call of Duty 4 and that same one guy kept killing you? Yea, guess what, his config file was tweaked to make his game look like [censored] and get 250 FPS. He has a huge advantage over you with your full graphics and 60 fps. Anyway. how many times do you see game company actually giving away console commands? I rarely see this happen anymore as most companies want to lock down there games.

I for one think they are all doing a great job. From giving out console command fixes to graphic card updates. I'm running the following setup and get 60 FPS on full graphics, not stutters, no pop-ins, no getting stuck, just a perfect running game. (Because I actually know what the [censored] I'm doing. You people who complain are just disguisting. I would never want to make video games to have a bunch of so called PC Gamers [censored] about commands and [censored] fixes we give out to the public using command files. You're a bunch of [censored]s if you actually take the time to complain about this [censored] company. Uneducated idiots, editing a config file is not rocket science. Copy and paste a line into a .cfg folder in notepad makes me a genius? Huh wonder why I have a GED if I know how to do this [censored]....just makes me wonder...)

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Keep complaining, it will get you no where. When the driver updates are ready they are ready.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:07 am

See what you fail to understand is: These people using the tweaks and what not have had the same problems as you. The few to get the game to work with these tweaks actually know the correct spots and the right commands to use. Most likely due to playing older id games. This uses the same engine and console commands as older id tech games. Configs are not anything new to get a game working. I think its so cute how half of you complain about having to use config files, something that's been around for along time. Forever, something all PC Gamers need to know about. Remember when you played Call of Duty 4 and that same one guy kept killing you? Yea, guess what, his config file was tweaked to make his game look like [censored] and get 250 FPS. He has a huge advantage over you with your full graphics and 60 fps. Anyway. how many times do you see game company actually giving away console commands? I rarely see this happen anymore as most companies want to lock down there games.

I for one think they are all doing a great job. From giving out console command fixes to graphic card updates. I'm running the following setup and get 60 FPS on full graphics, not stutters, no pop-ins, no getting stuck, just a perfect running game. (Because I actually know what the [censored] I'm doing. You people who complain are just disguisting. I would never want to make video games to have a bunch of so called PC Gamers [censored] about commands and [censored] fixes we give out to the public using command files. You're a bunch of [censored]s if you actually take the time to complain about this [censored] company. Uneducated idiots, editing a config file is not rocket science. Copy and paste a line into a .cfg folder in notepad makes me a genius? Huh wonder why I have a GED if I know how to do this [censored]....just makes me wonder...)

Mobo: Biostar TPower N750
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0 GHz
RAM: 4GB
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 6850
Windows 7 64 bit

Keep complaining, it will get you no where. When the driver updates are ready they are ready.

I've been using commands for ID's games for a long buddy. I have a fast PC that I built myself and I know quite a bit about computers. The newest drivers, command tweaks etc. still haven't stopped the freezing. [censored]! BTW knowing some console commands doesn't make you smart.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:20 am

I've been using commands for ID's games for a long buddy. I have a fast PC that I built myself and I know quite a bit about computers. The newest drivers, command tweaks etc. still haven't stopped the freezing. [censored]! BTW knowing some console commands doesn't make you smart.

I would recommend reading my post again - the part about being smart and tweaking was the point of my post. Also if you have been a long time ID user you would know about the problems on Quake 2.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:36 pm

See what you fail to understand is: These people using the tweaks and what not have had the same problems as you. The few to get the game to work with these tweaks actually know the correct spots and the right commands to use. Most likely due to playing older id games. This uses the same engine and console commands as older id tech games. Configs are not anything new to get a game working. I think its so cute how half of you complain about having to use config files, something that's been around for along time. Forever, something all PC Gamers need to know about. Remember when you played Call of Duty 4 and that same one guy kept killing you? Yea, guess what, his config file was tweaked to make his game look like [censored] and get 250 FPS. He has a huge advantage over you with your full graphics and 60 fps. Anyway. how many times do you see game company actually giving away console commands? I rarely see this happen anymore as most companies want to lock down there games.

I for one think they are all doing a great job. From giving out console command fixes to graphic card updates. I'm running the following setup and get 60 FPS on full graphics, not stutters, no pop-ins, no getting stuck, just a perfect running game. (Because I actually know what the [censored] I'm doing. You people who complain are just disguisting. I would never want to make video games to have a bunch of so called PC Gamers [censored] about commands and [censored] fixes we give out to the public using command files. You're a bunch of [censored]s if you actually take the time to complain about this [censored] company. Uneducated idiots, editing a config file is not rocket science. Copy and paste a line into a .cfg folder in notepad makes me a genius? Huh wonder why I have a GED if I know how to do this [censored]....just makes me wonder...)

Mobo: Biostar TPower N750
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0 GHz
RAM: 4GB
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 6850
Windows 7 64 bit

Keep complaining, it will get you no where. When the driver updates are ready they are ready.

Yes , Making and tweaking a config file is not rocket science , but when i paid for the game it never said that i need to know how to do that. And you are really saying all PC gamers know about it? not by far , only like 10% of the PC gaming community actually know [censored] , others just search the internet and copy paste fixes/tweaks or w.e , However making this config file you cannot just copy paste because if its made for a high end and ur on mid end PC it wont work , So technically u need to know what each line changes and so on , Which i dont know that well , Also waiting 4-5 days for a driver update was never mentioned either , So ye its really the companies fault , What they should have done is making a user-friendly ingame graphics options that u change rather than [censored]in around with config files , Making sure that the current ATI / Nvidia drivers works fine with their game , and if not then they should send the game to ATI / Nvidia and inform them to work on a new driver , They should also test the freakin game before releasing ... All the bugs and problems people are having go from high end PCs to low end PCs , from 6xxx to 5xxx to 4xxx (ATI) and same in Nvidia , so its not really a specfic vid card or rig that have problems that we could forgive them and say maybe they missed out testing that hardware . So to cut this short. id and bethesda [censored] up. Not our faul.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:01 pm

Yes , Making and tweaking a config file is not rocket science , but when i paid for the game it never said that i need to know how to do that. And you are really saying all PC gamers know about it? not by far , only like 10% of the PC gaming community actually know [censored] , others just search the internet and copy paste fixes/tweaks or w.e , However making this config file you cannot just copy paste because if its made for a high end and ur on mid end PC it wont work , So technically u need to know what each line changes and so on , Which i dont know that well , Also waiting 4-5 days for a driver update was never mentioned either , So ye its really the companies fault , What they should have done is making a user-friendly ingame graphics options that u change rather than [censored]in around with config files , Making sure that the current ATI / Nvidia drivers works fine with their game , and if not then they should send the game to ATI / Nvidia and inform them to work on a new driver , They should also test the freakin game before releasing ... All the bugs and problems people are having go from high end PCs to low end PCs , from 6xxx to 5xxx to 4xxx (ATI) and same in Nvidia , so its not really a specfic vid card or rig that have problems that we could forgive them and say maybe they missed out testing that hardware . So to cut this short. id and bethesda [censored] up. Not our faul.

So it's like if you bought cereal and the commercial showed you a bowl of cereal with milk in it and you got home poured the cereal into the bowl and realized there was no milk and that you had to add it yourself. Now you've actually got to do something to make the cereal taste better. I'm saying tweaking the config files is something most PC Gamers should know about. It's a huge part of PC Gaming and the competitive side. All I did was copy and paste honestly and it worked. 60 FPS no pop-ins, no stutters, no crashes. I'm in Subway Town and I think I'm almost done with it. Anyway, don't jump the gun and say bethesda and id's fault. It's making PC Gaming look bad, it makes the companies we love look bad. Like stated before, I myself see as all the complaining as something that makes me feel like not going to college for game design but something a lot better. Not because I wouldn't be able to take the heat, but after giving console commands out to a community and still getting [censored]ed at. That's unfair. Almost all my PC games have had bugs and I've had to wait up to a week or a [censored] month!!!! Sometimes these games don't even get fixed all the way and the companies discontinue the product. I hope you have a better understanding of the PC gaming world after reading this. - There is [censored] I wanted to say but left out cause I'm missing FB chat since I'm on this forum lmao.

- It's graphic card drivers. From what my friend has, you can tell its not the game. He gets 60 FPS but gets crashes sometimes just after loading. That's graphics. Wait for the new drivers they are coming soon.
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