This is all without concrete facts or statements from Microsoft, so please people take this info with a pound of salt.

If that's the case, then that's pretty disappointing to be honest.

A system that doesn't play used games? Nah. Don't really believe it.

They would lose to many customers.

I'm guessing that the system might include some type of anti-pirating system and something got lost in the (rumor) translation.

And if that happens the sales of that new Xbox are instantly lower than it's predessors.
A quarter of my games are pre-owned and those are some of my favourites so if I do turn out to be restricted that new Xbox can just stay on the store shelf while I play happily on the old console

all of this is just rumour
wait until the FACTS come out

Thats why my second word and the 16th on the second line were IF's

If the used game aspect is taken away, then in order for me to even consider buying a new xbox, it better come with a built-in toilet and give me bacon at whim.

If the next xbox did block me from playing used games then I ain't buying it.

Not sure if I get this right, I have never had an xbox of any kind. However I wonder how they would know the game is used? If I buy my brand new xbox and say a few games with it and I play them both once the first night, are they not used the next day when I try to play them? Not only that how would the machine know it was ever used? I must be missing something...

Serial codes, online activation, linking to an account; that sort of thing.

I'm not surprised if the anti used game thing turns out to be true.

The used games market for PC games been dead for quite some time now thanks to serial codes and especially online activations/registrations like Steam and whatnot. It's really only a matter of time until it reach the consoles. If not the next generation, the one after that for sure. And if Microsoft jump on this train now, Sony will probably do the same as well. They already done it on the PC side seeing they are the ones behind SecuROM.

Would piracy fall into that list, by chance? IMO, that would make sense but not make sense at the same time because it is not just PC games

EDIT: Didn't see the last part of your post...is SecuROM an anti-piracy technology?

Well if you cant play older games on the new gen I dont care personally because I almost never go back to playing older/last gen games anyways. If people dont like it well then they dont have to buy the new Xbox is all. They can just keep playing on the 360 with all the games they still want to play.

edit: about the used part which I thought was being backwards compatible I dont care about that as well. I've never bought a used game before and dont plan on it anytime soon. I'm sure other will be upset though.

I hate to say it, but I do believe Blu-Ray was a mistake for Sony that really cost them some serious $$$. The technology just wasn't affordable at the time, and I think they should have waited atleast 1 more year till the pushed their stuff out. Even though execs are touting that they recoup their money from longevity of consoles they have to face facts. When competition puts out a new console they have to attack/retaliate with the same method.

Would have to say in the end it came out to a draw with the money Sony earned and what they put into the console. They're still making money, however it came at a very costly lesson, sadly I don't think they learned it. Holographic technology is EXPENSIVE right now and it doesn't look like it'll be cheap until 2 to 3 years from now.


Yup, HVDs are very impressive creatures from what i'm seeing being able to store up to 5x that of Blu-Ray discs possibly up to 10x or more. However, with that extra space and new technology just like Blu-Ray developers will have to figure out how to use it. With Blu-Ray it wasn't until 1 or 2 years that the PS3 had been out that developers really understood how to fully utilize the capabilities of the discs + technology.


Have to say if M$ is truly switching to BDs then those rumors of them inventing higher grade Hi-Def DVDs were just rumors and nothing more. If the new PS4 console costs $800 to $1000 then i'll definitely consider switching to Microsoft's new console.

It's a good thing I'm with Sony. I even play Bethesda games on PS3.

But c'mon, if this happens and Microsoft does this, I would be happy seeing that company run through the ground.

Well I don't know much about the economics of their console, but from a consumer standpoint I still think it was a pretty good move. The gaming industry needs more innovation, playing it safe isn't always the best solution.

I really don't think we need that kind of space for current, or even future games. Blu-ray was a nice step up from the tiny 5-9GB DVDs, but terabytes of data for a single game seems very unlikely.

I don't understand this mentality at all... Having a PS3 this generation doesn't mean you're obligated to stick with Sony.

Brand loyalty is meaningless in the gaming industry, because each console generation is different.

I know, I don't feel obligated to stick with Sony. But I'm currently sticking with this generation of Sony, they could change with their next console drastically.

Well you won't see terabytes of data on discs, but you will see discs in the 500 to 800gigabyte range. I do agree that with that much space it'll become a problem of how to properly utilize it. Dealing with next gen gaming setup one thing we need to see is stuff like Farcry where the world is 100% open 100% of the time with no loading screens. Getting to that will be trick, however if you put the proper coding on the disc to allow for that it will bring things into a next age so to speak.

With the price of RAM dropping the way it has been -it's already dirt cheap- fully utilising large disks may be easier to achieve than one might think. If the next generation (or the one after it, which is more likely to have massive disk capacities) has loads of RAM, devs could load what's immediately needed on startup then keep the drive going until it has several gigs in sitting in memory. From there the data could be shifted to the graphics card a lot faster, or utilised by the CPU without delay.

I like the second bit about using such an outdated gpu. That means developers can actually focus on gameplay than "look at our water textures!"

On the other hand, if they want things pretty they'll have to spend more time/resources on optimisation...

^^^this, sony has some okay games, and there is not a lot of exclusives for xbox (not enough good ones to keep me if this happens a least). if sony follows though, i will go to pc

Ratchet and Clank. Plenty of reason to buy.
I am one step ahead with the PC gaming, but i miss my Ratchet and clank...