There is a ton of vague information out there and a lot of people who feel alienated by the idea of a typical MMO style game in their precious Elder Scrolls. Its based on the Hero Engine same as SWTOR, but will it have loading screens all over the place? Will the combat be your a-typical tab target and hit 1 1 4 2 1 1 5 and then you loot the corpse? Will the cities be small like in Skyrim and Oblivion, or will they be too scale with hundreds of houses like they were in Arena? How much of this is truelly determined by the Hero Engine?

What exactly is it that makes people rage over this news without having seen it in action? I personally am not looking forward to another game where you hit tab to lock your target courser onto a bandit and then run up to it hitting numerical keys to perform melee attacks or
to cast various spells. Yes that would be all too stale and has beaten the proverbial horse to death over the past few years.

A few MMO's have tried the FPS style that Elder Scroll fans are use too, such as Fallen Earth its FPS but it does suffer some other issues
as well, but that in no way means that Zenimax couldn't figure out a way to fix it, and even if they could make it more FPS like? Is that even possible within the Hero Engine or will it be restricted to the typical target and attack?

It will be a new look at a world we love though, a look from a new perspective as being one of the normal people and not the hero with a destiny, but the guy in the mages guild who is working hard to learn magic or the fresh recruit of the warriors guild sent off to kill rats in some old ladies basemant. What kind of freedom of classes will we get? Several MMO's out and coming out are trying new takes on the class system from freeform to the old and stale trinity to the tiered mix and match. Have they released any info on it yet? Not at the time of this initial posting.

Instead of grabbing our pitchforks and torches and going on a vampire hunt to some dirty cave in the woods, lets take a moment to ask some questions and put up some suggestions and ideas about the things in other MMO's that simply don't work, so maybe they will actually read them and see "Hey maybe we shouldn't make mages run around with a 6 foot staff strapped to their back because it looks stupid." I think Rift got that one right.. How about some helpful pointers for ZeniMax such as, don't make character creation a select a premade face from a list of 12... Cause its lame and looks lazy and players recognize with corners were cut and it lowers expectations drasticly.

A bit more of a not exactly 'positive' feedback, There is of course no reason to give false praise if you feel there is none, but that does not mean you cannot be constructive in your feedback rather then purely negative with posts such as This Sukors lets burn it to the ground, ect.

I love Elder Scrolls, I've played it since Arena and every new game I felt a little betrayed at the lack of landmass and hardcoe elements such as only being able to talk to Deadric Princes on a single day of the year, or lycanthropes that forcefully change you once a month, making you try to remember to not be in a town around a certain time of the month. I have seen these elements slowly stripped away to make way for prettier area content, fully 3d gameplay areas and more cinematic storylines. Was it all bad in the end? No. I enjoyed them all even though I was very sad to see I could only adventure across less then half of Tamriel when Daggerfall came out, I thought 'WTH, only the Lilac bay?' But it turned out to be okay, and if the fans of Elder Scrolls start supporting this and coming together to try to point out known flaws before they become permenant this too can be a good game.

Well said. It was time for change plain and simple. We needed this.

I'm thinking it has something to do with the water supply.

This happens every time any new Elder Scrolls development is announced. People insist that they "would have been excited, but...", yet for some reason, I never see them getting excited about anything. There's always a reason for them to decry the latest steps forward as "the end of the series/gaming/planet".

They have made several announcements that just sound bad.. They might not be actually bad but they sound bad, and that makes a bad first impression, which means the world in the gaming industry. The worst first impression you make the harder it is to get them to like you later, if you make a great big amazing first impression and then fail to deliever on anything they will hate you for the rest of eternity.

A few bad announcments I seen was the 3 factions thing, with DAOC under their belt it looks incredibly lazy like a copy paste job of DAOC world pvp is being forced into it and that was the reason for 3 factions. Will it work? maybe.. Does it look lazy and set a bad first impression that other parts of the game will be copy pasted lazily too? Yes.. bad bad first impression.

The articles online are either terribly written, and written by people who got totally svcked up into the bad first impression and negativity and just jotted down, Its a typical mmo with typical mmo combat in a typical mmo grind and will be another dead typical mmo. Maybe they just did a typical lazy review and put it in a bad light?
It seems utterly pointless to cast stones at someone who doesn't yet exist.

I know people were upset over the announcment of Dawnguard DLC for Skyrim because it was just a picture and no info, but look at what happens with a little info is leaked out without a longer explination, total anarchy and assumptions that flood the forums with panic and chaos. So I guess they can't win either way.

I love it.

If they say 2 factions, then they're a WoW clone.

If they say 3 factions, then they're copying DAoC.

If they say 4 factions, then they're making things too complicated.

People who are already dead-set against this game are never going to like it. They've decided in advance that it can't be good, so they'll use every announcement that comes out to support the conclusion they've already made.

This. People amaze, and horrify me, in equal measure. When they don't like something, they can't just avoid it, they need to sit there and come up with "reasons" as to why it's bad.

They'll scurry back to the Skyrim forums soon enough.

I'm hoping that ES:O will hopefully be innovative and have something different. If I want to play a Multi-raced MMO with most quests being "Go over here" or "Kill 10 Bloodscreecher Gorillas and obtain their eyebrows to make a potion so I can give it to someone", I'll just go play WoW.

TESO=SWTOR=FAIL WHY? WHY??????

So true words!

Its not the game itself that is being raged upon , its that the game isnt really TES but just a generic fantasy game with TES marked over it.

Oh, another one who has played the game to make such statement.
Can you tell me how you played a game that is a year away of release? I wanna test it too.

Based on the story, the screens and the desciption of the game I have drawn this conclusion.

A completely "rumor based" story, one or two dubious screens and description based upon more rumors?
Such a solid guide.

The story was written in gameinformer...not really rumor. The pics show a generic fantasy game not at all what I would expect TES to look like.

Gameinformer report was all but complete.
Was just a little pieces of rumors fixed together, also you cant judge a game for one screen.

Gameinformer had several screens and I dont believe it was rumors.

Look, pal, I love TES, well at least everything from Morrowind to Skyrim, but this game is not it. It doesn't cater to its fans. TES fans are not starwars fans. They aren't in it for the wookies, the light sabers and the lore alone, but the gameplay that defined the game, that defined a genre.

When you say TES without open worlds, action combat, skill advancement and world-affecting decisions, you don't say TES at all. No amount of fluff will change that. They could implement the best DAoC clone ever made with sick RVRVR instanced combat and I wouldn't give a [censored] less, because.. it's not TES.

This isn't an evolution of the series. Combat isn't improving, visuals aren't improving, the immersion sure as hell isn't improving with phasing as they mentioned in the article. This isn't a fundamental change of TES series, it's a reskin of other online games and a cheap buck to be made at TES expense. It's an abortion.

If that is all your problem, then, why are you here? So if Warner Bros put a trailer of a movie you dont like, you go to warner forum and complain? NO! You just DONT WATCH the movie. So if the report of gameinformer (wich is less than a trailer, MUCH less) dont suit you.. why you are here? You just shold close the page and go back to Skyrim, Morrowind or wathever.

If that is your problem, then why are you here? If some [censored] posted something about a movie they didn't like, would you go to the forum of that movie and complain? NO! You just DON'T READ THE FORUM POST. So if my posts don't suit you, then why do you read them? You should just ignore my posts and go back to candy land.

I'm waiting for actual game play videos before I go on a rage spree

Yeah, the goalposts are always moved to make sure no matter what is happening in the TES series, it is WRONG and EVIL and plainly SELLING OUT "OUR" SERIES! It is just a thing. That's why I feel the bristling, faux-polite posts of self proclaimed design and business experts and the much more openly angry "this game will svck and you all svck for making it" threads are not an indicator of either their final numbers of the direction of development. Every single piece of information regarding Skyrim was met with that reaction to some level or another.

The primary example here is, how many times have we all heard "I swear TES could stop svcking so bad if it went back to PC-only," because I've hard that a lot, starting with a thread I found in 2004 whose OP said, as I recall "Man, Oblivion could have been so good if it weren't for consoles." Whatever your thoughts on Oblivion, assuming that "could have been good" is a valid phrase before release for anything, especially based on an untested platform is basically the greater online TES fanbase in a nutshell.

EDIT: and beatounu, myself and at least one subforum actually are in it for the lore. Phsaw, I don't give a crap about the gameplay as long as I get my fix of magical dragon-spirit-robot women fixing time every time the god of time fragments and tries to murder his own mirror-brothers (like in Skyrim) or a magical hermaphroditic warrior-love-fertility god gives me magic gloves so I can indirectly destroy his country a decade or so later (Morrowind).

Awesome post my friend.

Instead of throwing a fit over the game and tearing it apart, as Elder Scrolls fans it's up to us to tell Zenimax what WE WANT. No one else can tell them.

We have a duty to make sure as much as we can that this game is everything it needs to be, to even be worth bearing the legendary name of Elder Scrolls.

Think you're taking your role as "consumer" a little too seriously, here.

Your only "duty" is to buy and play games that you enjoy.

This.

They can complain till they are blue in the face,TESO is here to stay.Once they have an official forum there will be no need for the complainers to come to it,after all why follow a forum if you don't like the game.

We have to put up with them now but it is short term.

Funny thing is most of them will play the game,the lure will be to much for them.