NPC Killing is Out of Control

Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:38 pm

You don't actually wipe out the Dawnguard even if you kill the leaders- they just keep coming after you anyway. Besides, I know that several of the Radiant quests are glitched, with Vingalmo's quests being affected particularly badly. As far as I know, all of the vampires in the castle are considered essential, but feel free to double-check.

Do not worry, I will check. :biggrin:

Disappointed Braggen cannot get rid of his Dawnguard fans though, dragons, mass spawning enemies, idiots pretending to be soldiers and now the Dawnguard. I can see Braggen really struggling to get enough play time to reach 81, Aussie is a much more appealing character since nothing lethal is after her.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:10 pm

Do not worry, I will check. :biggrin:

Disappointed Braggen cannot get rid of his Dawnguard fans though, dragons, mass spawning enemies, idiots pretending to be soldiers and now the Dawnguard. I can see Braggen really struggling to get enough play time to reach 81, Aussie is a much more appealing character since nothing lethal is after her.
what? I love having lethal things after me. I reached 81 on my William Wallace character and nothing tries to kill him anymore :(
Its boring
Its gotten to the point where I have started to do full naked runs between Riften and Solitude. Survive off the land and the equipment I scavenge off of bandits and thieves. Making poisons out of the stuff i find. Things suddenly get interesting when any bear can kill you.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:40 pm

After having several vampire attacks, I just made both vampire factions and the civilians of every town neutral towards each other. This is idiotic as I have to be the one to "fix" this problem with the DLC. At least when I started my new main playthrough, I didn't start until the last patch. Even when the DLC was out I didn't download it, because I heard of this. So I just finished up everything in the game (minus some misc quests and exploring every location).

I am glad that at least console commands exist though as I have been able to fix every bug I have ever come across...so far.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:47 pm

I see a lot of Vampire lovers on these forums lately.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:02 pm

I'm not really concerned with the vampire attacks.

When I became a vampire lord, I wiped out Shor's Stone just to see what I could do with my new found powers.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:50 am

After having several vampire attacks, I just made both vampire factions and the civilians of every town neutral towards each other. This is idiotic as I have to be the one to "fix" this problem with the DLC. At least when I started my new main playthrough, I didn't start until the last patch. Even when the DLC was out I didn't download it, because I heard of this. So I just finished up everything in the game (minus some misc quests and exploring every location).

I am glad that at least console commands exist though as I have been able to fix every bug I have ever come across...so far.

Since the DLC is not out for the PC, and the XBox 360 version does not have console commands I am not even going to bother asking how you did that. But seriously would you fix the problems with the main game by making dragons and your NPC's neutral? Why bother even paying for the DLC (I am assuming you did pay for it and not just pirate it somehow) if you cannot be bothered playing it properly. Just go neutralise all the enemies in the main game and you can waltz through and fight nothing at all. Because obviously having to fight in Skyrim is just a bug to cause problems for players, could not possibly be an intended part of the game.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:59 pm

From what I heard there is a way to edit the save file for X360 by opening it on a PC. That's not piracy.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:43 pm

Since the DLC is not out for the PC, and the XBox 360 version does not have console commands I am not even going to bother asking how you did that. But seriously would you fix the problems with the main game by making dragons and your NPC's neutral? Why bother even paying for the DLC (I am assuming you did pay for it and not just pirate it somehow) if you cannot be bothered playing it properly. Just go neutralise all the enemies in the main game and you can waltz through and fight nothing at all. Because obviously having to fight in Skyrim is just a bug to cause problems for players, could not possibly be an intended part of the game.

That is much different.

The main problem with the vampires is that you cannot always tell when they are showing up.
One time, all I did was pass by a city (this was the only time I ever went to that city after downloading the DLC), and when I went back to finish up some Misc quests it was nearly empty. The NPC (among others) I had to talk to was dead and so were several merchants.

So, I conder that a bug and what I do with all bugs is remove them.
The best way to do that would be to make sure that doesn't happen.

Now, that doesn't prevent vamps from attacking me, but they just won't attack the NPCs as long as I am not there.
If I was there, then the NPCs would help me and then be against the vampires.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:41 pm

I have finished DG and when I walked out of the alchemy shop in whiterun vampires attacked at the front gate in the day time. I have also had gargoyles attack in the day inside whiterun after finishing DG. So if the attacks are suppost to stop after finishing DG something is wrong.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:01 pm

More than likely that the attacks that happen after the MQ for DG are a bug. The devs probably programmed the game to either lessen the frequency of the attacks or programmed them to stop. Obviously there's a glitch in the programming somewhere which may be resolved in a patch.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:32 pm

I was recently in Windhelm talking with the blacksmith when I heard a ruckus coming from the main gate. Thinking it was Serana starting some trouble, I went to investigate and got sideswiped by a rampaging Gargoyle! lol

It took my by such surprise that I needed a moment to process what the hell was going on. Turns out 2 lesser vamps + 1 Ancient Vamp + 1 Volkihar Vamp + 1 conjured Gargoyle had suddenly entered the front gate. Guards and various citizens ran into the fray. Arrows flew back and forth, frost spears and lightening bolts crashing all around, people yelling, cries of terror when a few citizens had sense enough to duck and run. It was all so exciting!

Then I noticed that Serana was grabbing everyone's attention like the good little tank she is, so I pulled out Auriel's Bow and started burning them down. After I dropped the Ancient and worked the Volkihar to less than half hp, I rushed the remaining lesser vamp shooting arrows at me and impaled him on my daggers >D

In the end, the only loss was the blacksmith girl and a couple of guards. I had already completed her quests so I was tempted to just leave it as is....but I kinda like the banter between she and the older smith-guy. So I had to reload it. My reload went smooth and the attack never came! so she's still alive in my game.

I'm not bitter about it at all. That was likely the most fun I've unexpectedly had in days! :D Had I not been trying to get Windhelm's house and Thane title, I would have gone Vampire Lord and everyone would have died!
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:00 pm

NPC killing IS out of control - I just can't help myself when I'm in Vampire Lord form. Everybody just looks so... tasty.

That was my initial response to the thread's title :devil:
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:44 pm

That is much different.

The main problem with the vampires is that you cannot always tell when they are showing up.
One time, all I did was pass by a city (this was the only time I ever went to that city after downloading the DLC), and when I went back to finish up some Misc quests it was nearly empty. The NPC (among others) I had to talk to was dead and so were several merchants.

So, I conder that a bug and what I do with all bugs is remove them.
The best way to do that would be to make sure that doesn't happen.

Now, that doesn't prevent vamps from attacking me, but they just won't attack the NPCs as long as I am not there.
If I was there, then the NPCs would help me and then be against the vampires.

You enter the area for a town, you risk the random event of an attack by vampires, you can tell 100% when it is possible, you are there. No point just dropping by the stables and leaving, or popping in the back of Honeyside and leaving or even going by the main gate and not entering. You have loaded that possible random event and should check. Then leave and do what ever it is you were doing. Yes it is a bit annoying keeping us on our toes in suspence like that but it should not last for that long, you finish with Dawnguard and blood cursed arrows the vampires should not attack towns unless it is a bug.

People saying they had an attack and had finished the main quest seem suspicious, what else were you all doing to get an attack? Playing around with arrows maybe? Or doing radiant quests for Dawnguard perhaps? Both Aussie and Braggen are doing radiant quests and have not had an attack, but that does not mean it cannot happen. They still go rushing out of doors and fast travel loading points ready to kill just in case.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:30 pm

You enter the area for a town, you risk the random event of an attack by vampires, you can tell 100% when it is possible, you are there. No point just dropping by the stables and leaving, or popping in the back of Honeyside and leaving or even going by the main gate and not entering. You have loaded that possible random event and should check. Then leave and do what ever it is you were doing. Yes it is a bit annoying keeping us on our toes in suspence like that but it should not last for that long, you finish with Dawnguard and blood cursed arrows the vampires should not attack towns unless it is a bug.

People saying they had an attack and had finished the main quest seem suspicious, what else were you all doing to get an attack? Playing around with arrows maybe? Or doing radiant quests for Dawnguard perhaps? Both Aussie and Braggen are doing radiant quests and have not had an attack, but that does not mean it cannot happen. They still go rushing out of doors and fast travel loading points ready to kill just in case.

For one, I was passing by the town (just wandering around after beating the DLC, looking for new locations) so I didn't even enter the city or see any enemies.

Then there is the bit that makes it much worse, if you have the DLC on a brand new playthrough, but want to play the main story first as well as all the side quests.
My friend did that, and then vampires started attacking. At first he said it was cool, but then cities started to become empty, which also bugged many quests and now his journal is full of quests he cannot complete.

The vampire attacks are a bug post Dawnguard's plot, as I get them and I have only used the arrows in the Forgotten Vale or around Castle Volkihar, never even went to a city when the sky was dark (at least on a save I wasn't just slaughtering everyone on). The vampire attacks can create bugs as well, which also isn't good.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:54 pm

You enter the area for a town, you risk the random event of an attack by vampires, you can tell 100% when it is possible, you are there. No point just dropping by the stables and leaving, or popping in the back of Honeyside and leaving or even going by the main gate and not entering. You have loaded that possible random event and should check. Then leave and do what ever it is you were doing. Yes it is a bit annoying keeping us on our toes in suspence like that but it should not last for that long, you finish with Dawnguard and blood cursed arrows the vampires should not attack towns unless it is a bug.

People saying they had an attack and had finished the main quest seem suspicious, what else were you all doing to get an attack? Playing around with arrows maybe? Or doing radiant quests for Dawnguard perhaps? Both Aussie and Braggen are doing radiant quests and have not had an attack, but that does not mean it cannot happen. They still go rushing out of doors and fast travel loading points ready to kill just in case.

Yawn! :snoring:
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:54 pm

Yawn! :snoring:

I think you're looking for this. :yawn: And regarding your post, not amused. :glare:
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:16 am

For one, I was passing by the town (just wandering around after beating the DLC, looking for new locations) so I didn't even enter the city or see any enemies.

Then there is the bit that makes it much worse, if you have the DLC on a brand new playthrough, but want to play the main story first as well as all the side quests.
My friend did that, and then vampires started attacking. At first he said it was cool, but then cities started to become empty, which also bugged many quests and now his journal is full of quests he cannot complete.

The vampire attacks are a bug post Dawnguard's plot, as I get them and I have only used the arrows in the Forgotten Vale or around Castle Volkihar, never even went to a city when the sky was dark (at least on a save I wasn't just slaughtering everyone on). The vampire attacks can create bugs as well, which also isn't good.

But were you still doing radiant quests for Dawnguard? And were the attacks on towns. Perhaps even having a radiant quest outstanding is enough to still trigger the random attack by vampires on towns?
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:19 pm

But were you still doing radiant quests for Dawnguard? And were the attacks on towns. Perhaps even having a radiant quest outstanding is enough to still trigger the random attack by vampires on towns?

Nope, just some misc quest that were part of the base game.

I wouldn't have a problem with the vampire attacks if they only triggered when in the city, and not just when the city loads (similar to the dragons inside of cities)
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:05 am

Nope, just some misc quest that were part of the base game.

I wouldn't have a problem with the vampire attacks if they only triggered when in the city, and not just when the city loads (similar to the dragons inside of cities)

Well my character Braggen who at the time had a bit of a dragon problem made the mistake of going to the Riften stables and then used the main gate to enter Riften. I hardly ever travel with any of my characters to the stables, and nothing bad had ever happened on the few occasions Braggen fast travelled to them, but this time a dragon spawned in Riften. Which is how I know the area outside the town can cause something to spawn in the town. Braggen's endless dragons usually did turn up inside walled towns. But the conditions for the stables random events must have been a bit more lax.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:56 am

For one, I was passing by the town (just wandering around after beating the DLC, looking for new locations) so I didn't even enter the city or see any enemies.


Are we talking a walled city here? Or somewhere like Falkreath?
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:32 pm

Are we talking a walled city here? Or somewhere like Falkreath?

Specifically Solitude.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:06 pm

Solitude has a side gate entrance from the docks and is a prime entrance route for the "sneaky" vampires. Its extremely likely you were in town earlier and didnt notice a vampire with invisiblity come out of that sidegate. As soon as you left the city cell, the game automatically did a combat round and those NPC's died.

Again thats down to you, as vampires simply do not attack places if you are not in the cell. You must be there for them to spawn, there is no way for them to spawn inside towns otherwise. Hell Ive even managed to go in to town, get a vamp attack, reload, wait 12 hours and get the SAME vamp attack only now at night. They only spawn when you are there, no other time.


Just to be clear here in case people are not aware. There are two types of vampire attack. There is the normal one were a vampire enters and attacks the first thing in site in clear view. Then there is a second sneaky vampire attack, where the vampire in question is using invisibility to waltz in to town undetected. In some locations they can and will get right in to town without being spotted by the NPC's and its down to you to catch them.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:21 am

None of my characters have had any invisible vampires attacking walled towns, but Aussie had those travellers which were a pain. In the end I never waited for them to do anything, just attacked them on sight to try and prevent them conjuring up anything. All the NPC's were well armed so able to survive the other vampires till Aussie got rid of the traveller.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:41 pm

Ok, let me clear this up for people. I now have five characters that have finished dawnguard. yes, I have a bit to much free time -_-. But I did this to see if it was just a random thing that happened. the answer is no, in some cases (in my case 3 characters) do still have the random vampire attacks after the quest line. No, there isn't any dawnguard, or vampire quests active; and no I haven't used the blood arrows (at all). So either the attacks after the quest line are a bug. Or this was another stupid decision made by Bethesda.
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Post » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:06 pm



I think you're looking for this. :yawn: And regarding your post, not amused. :glare:
Holy [censored], that emoticon actually made me yawn.
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