To all those that currently play/have played WoW...

I've been debating it for a while but I think I want to go back to WoW. I've played on and off for years, last time I played was during Wotlk and I was main tanking progression in Ulduar I think it was called. It was too time consuming so I started to PvP instead. After a while I just quit.

I really loved progression raiding, especially tanking but I won't go back to that now because of how much time it takes. I don't want to do raiding casually, either I want to be on the top of the game or not do it.

So I'm thinking of coming back just for PvP, semi-casually. Problably playing 3-4 hours most days. Some days not at all, some days more.

How much has the game changed since early wotlk? I don't want to feel like I don't know anything and I'm just a "noob" again, but I also don't want to be into it like I used to. I spent a lot of hours looking at elitist jerks, reading graphs etc. I don't want to do that anymore. I just want to do some basic PvP.

Do you guys think that playing this casual way is worth it for an old hardcoe player? I'm used to being in top server guilds and playing constantly. Will it just feel akward to come back and just play casually?

The real PvP is in the arenas. Everything else is an unbalanced mess. World pvp is dead.

I'm biased, but I think the whole game is a joke now. You might have more fun playing SW: TOR.

I'm pretty much done with WoW for good. I was already tired of the same thing patch after patch halfway through Cataclysm, so I quit during the summer. What made me stop following the game entirely though is the fact that the next expansion is basically one big Kung Fu Panda ripoff. I just can't take the game seriously anymore after that.

WoW's glory days are over. I'd recommend trying TOR or waiting on Guild Wars 2.

With the upcoming expansion, it's not worth playing it anymore. I use to find WoW fun, but with Cataclysm I decided to quit because it became no longer fun for me.

I used to play WoW (before the release of Burning Crusade) feverishly for around a year, but stopped shortly after the first expansion came out. I've played a month here and there, but just can't get interested in it like I used to be. Either way, I seriously doubt that I'd be able to get used to Lich King, Cataclysm and whatever the next expansion is to make my time worth it.

Besides, $15 a month isn't a small amount of money, especially for a college student (not to mention how I don't have time to get my money's worth of the monthly fee).

I pretty much agree with this post.

If I play another MMO, it'll be TOR when it's properly released in Australia.

WoW was never meant to be a PvP based game which is why I gave up on it. I'd pass on WoW right now.

They have implemented a Raid Finder option where you can wait in a que like for dungeons only for Raids.

This only added to the fact that I was constantly just standing around Orgimmar doing nothing waiting for ques.

The non instance BG for Cata is actually not that boring.....but everything else was......so I quit.

This time I don't think I'll be going back.....the panda thing doesn't interest me one bit.

I use to spend all my time on that game just killing low level alliance in their little towns. I use to camp darkshire for like 3 hrs just killing the low levels trying to quest. Then blizzard added elite 85 NPCs to all the towns... So I quit.

Anyway, I would not bother going back. The game just gets worse and worse each expansion. Not to mention nothing good will come out of going back.

Never played the game, I say try TOR when the come out with a trial.

I think it's completely the other way around. A traditional dice roll based RPG like WoW is definitely not made for small scale arena PvP. Not if you want it to be balanced and retain the uniqueness you find in different RPG races and classes. 2v2, the most played setup, is just impossible to balance without destroying the integrity of the game and Blizzard effectively admitted this when they made 2v2 rating not count for high end rewards. 3v3 is not nearly as bad, but you'll still find certain comps that are inherently superior to others. 5v5 is probably the least affected, but AFAIK it is also the least popular by a wide margin.

World PvP and big battlegrounds is what the game is suited for. They've said they want to invigorate world PvP in the next expansion and not have people idling in their capitals all day spamming bg/dungeon queues. We'll just have to wait and see if they are true to their word.

I started playing WoW at the very end of Wrath and quit towards the end of Cataclysm.
I never made it into any raids due to the very elitist nature of raiders (you can't raid with us unless you have experience raiding, but you can't get experience raiding unless you raid with us), and I found that PvP as a Hunter was pretty much pointless (less than 3% of top ranked arena teams use a hunter of any kind).

I can say that the pre-Cata old world content and the BC content were vastly superior to the Wrath and Cata content as far as dungeons, leveling, and crafting were concerned. I have no interest in going back to WoW as it felt like a game that was great but ran out of ideas.

Fixed. BC was pretty much the pinnacle of the game in my opinion. I would say wrath PVE content was better than vanillas. Vanilla was more fun PVP-wise than wrath though. It wasn't as competitive on an individual basis because the PVP rewards were [censored] unless you are fat IRL so the gear gap was very wide, but there was something special about having several hour long warsong matches between the strongest horde guild and the strongest alliance guild. It had its charm. BC definitely had the best arena though.

All this thought about PVP... can't wait for D3. That's going to be a blast. I only wish there were PVP rewards. Not actual gear, that would kind of screw up the item system in the game, but runestones at the very least would be solid.

I will never play wow again ... FOREVVAAAR.

progression raiding is the very definition of time consumption, it's not progression if your only fighting bosses you can wipe the floor with

This, You cant even attack a town solo with out some elite gaurd spawning on you, that was the nail in the coffen in world pvp. I realise it helps out noobs but still. Every thing is canned, thats the term I use, pvp, instances, theres really no point to the huge world, you dont even need to lvl in it anymore. I quit for good shortly after the lvl 85 expansion.

Im waiting for guild wars 2 this year i hope, it promises to be free after purchase, open world, pvp.

It is people you like why those elite guards were probably added into the first place. Killing enemy quests givers isn't PVP. Real PVP is stumbling upon an enemy or them stumbling upon you and a fight breaking out. If guards are anywhere near the equation, it probably isn't real world PVP.

I doubt you even played on a PVP server. World PVP existed even throughout early-WOTLK. What started its demise was that nearly every area allowed the use of flying mounts. When Wintergrasp was turned into some instanced event instead of world PVP like they claimed it would be, THAT was the final nail. The only pure zone with no silly flying mounts to easily evade battle was Wintergrasp and even that got shut down.

How are you soppose to stumble on a lvl 80 0r 85 in a huge empty world???


I had to start my own fights by wiping out cross roads and pissing the alts off enough to log into there mains, or turran mill, or southshore. I played on Dethroc, if by chance any one else did?

This. WoW's glory days are long gone, and I'm glad I got off the ship before it sank completely.

But I do like to get all nostalgiaficated about my Forsaken Demo/Destr Lock now and again. In fact, I would start playing again if they added some servers that were either vanilla WoW or BC.

During BC elemental plateau was a hotbed for world PVP action. During WOTLK, the action was rarer, but there were places. It was definitely rarer. One spot I found popular at times was the entrance to Azjol-nerub.

Oh, yeah, if instancing Wintergrasp was a nail in the coffin, the ability to teleport inside of a dungeon, even on a PVP server, was shoving that coffin into a furnace. That... I have a hard time even grasping how awful WoW must be if there are no longer PVP battles outside dungeons.

Have to say after playing WoW for like 6 months it was just hype imho. Playing in the space of those 6 months I accomplished the following:

1. Got 3 characters to level 80 with a bunch to level 20
2. Earned a good chunk of gold buying, selling, trading stuff enough to make me pretty dang rich (got the potion that turned you into a dragon)
3. Ran dungeons way to easily having to barely lift a finger as a tank, healer, or dps
4. Did PvP as a tank messing everyone up, healer same deal and dps assassin backstabbing frost mages
5. Solo'd probably 90% of my characters up to 80

WoW is just hype pure and simple made for the solo player however due to WoW's nature almost every MMO out there is solo geared. There's no way i'm giving money to the WoW machine after what I experienced the game just wasn't fun at all. Only thing that was remotely interesting were some of the quests thinking outside the box. However past those quests (few and far between) you had fetch missions, kill missions, fetch and kill missions, etc... with no real innovation.

Don't think it's worth it, I'm still playing and I'm planning to quit, just isn't what it used to be.

World PVP existed before any of the expansions, when huge hordes of players would raid back and forth between XR and Astranaar. Yes quest givers got killed, sure it disrupted the leveling of players. Thats why you joined your sides raid and pushed the enemy out of your zone and all the way back to theirs, slaughtering everything in your path. THAT was fun world PVP. Then Blizzard introduced the Dishonourable Kill system and put an end to that. Then further killed it with BGs.

edit: As for playing WoW again. I won't ever be. I had my fun, but those times are long gone. I've never been able to return for more than a couple weeks. Then with the introduction of Cataclysm, I can't even start up for nostalgia's sake, since everything is gone.

Sounds like you should have been happy with Alterac Valley, if your idea of World PVP is zerging.

Haven't played WoW in almost a year. Cataclysm and the focus on arena and rated BGs is what killed it for me.

I'm considering trying Rift again. I beta tested it and it was fun. It's enough like WoW to feel familiar, but is superior in many ways.