This is a horrible idea. : Othor Games

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:01 pm

By doing this, you will kill the license, the story, giving free scope to all types of kikoos do anything. This is for me nothing more than a WoW-like. This is so special and the magic of a TES will disappear, and I do not even mention the gameplay that gives me one wish: to hang myself.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:09 am

Great idea, horrible engine to use.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:36 am

It never fails to amaze me how some people think they know what will succeed or fail as if only their opinion matters. Good or bad millions of copies will sell and in the end bethesda will come out on top and then some people will whine and complain and throw little tantrums about the most stupid little pointless things just for the sake of being an annoying [censored]. Just like they do with EVERY game release. In other words don't gripe about a game until you actually play it yourself because you're just making yourself look stupid when you do, Bethesda is one of the greatest game designers out there and they are always going to be looking for new ways to make money no matter how much a few lifeless whiners complain.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:24 am

Not true. An MMO, no matter who is behind it, is always a huge risk. They, more often than not, fail. Costing a lot of money in the process.

The recent popularity of free-to-play is the only thing that brought in money for a lot of titles.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:03 am

It never fails to amaze me how some people think they know what will succeed or fail as if only their opinion matters. Good or bad millions of copies will sell and in the end bethesda will come out on top and then some people will whine and complain and throw little tantrums about the most stupid little pointless things just for the sake of being an annoying [censored]

C'mon. Just take a look at the game created with the hero engine. Every. Single. Game. is just utterly bad or mediocre at best. Look at SW:ToR. They put 150 Millions in but failed hard. Or look at other games, created with this engine, like this one http://www.heroengine.com/spotlights/faxion-online/

This is just cheap. Its a engine that is even more limited, than WoW's. It's not by any means a sandbox like skyrim.

I'm sorry but with this engine, the limitations and the graphical glitches it brings with it the dev-team is predestined to bring just another wow clone to an already satisfied market. This game is predistined to fail. I just can't believe that there is any other possible outcome.

I bought and played every elderscrolls game. I just can't believe that they are going to betray this brand with a engine like this one. A engine that is nothing more than mass production factory for mmos.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:45 am

It's an amazing idea. Thank you Beth.

I agree but my computer would not be able to handle it

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:07 am

It's an amazing idea. Thank you Beth.

You are happy no matter what Bethesda throws at you.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:24 pm

The idea is not, in itself, horrid. But the MMO genre is terribly unrealized, in spite of the glut of games seen in it. Tired, worn out, generic, [censored] cookie-cutter games everywhere you look, with IPs from Warhammer to Star Wars. When did the MMO genre become so limited? Occasionally you'll see a game like WWIIO or Jumpgate that offer a glimpse into what this genre could be doing. But these games are usually independently developed, underfunded, underrealized, or simply underadvertised. I am in any case convinced that the idea of an Elder Scrolls MMO, as much as I hate it, could have evolved into something legitimately unique and compelling, given the right direction.

If, for example, they completely abandoned all precidents known to the MMORPG genre and went back to the drawing board. Because some very interesting possibilities present themselves in regards to what such a game could be and mean.

But they have no interest in pushing boundaries. They want to create an alternative to games like WoW where experienced MMO players will feel "comfortable". They want a cash cow.
As if they can't afford to do something meaningful with such a title.

I fear that this project, creatively unispired and formed with all the wrong motivations as it appears to me, will severely damage the Elder Scrolls universe.

This is why I dread a TES MMOs, not that MMOs cant be great, but because they have to follow the same wow pattern in order to be sufficiently funded. But this is really only a concern for those interested in playing an MMO.

There are different concerns for different people.
1) For those who wont play the MMO anyways, because its and MMOs and its just not our cup of tea, we worry about the bastardization of the TES IP.
- For this concern, I am comforted that Todd Howard has pledged that he will keep tabs on the zenimax writers and keep them in line. Hopefully they can't add ridiculous crap to the cannon, nothing that can bleed over into the next great BETHESDA developed single player TES game. Segregate them completely, and if it must be referenced in a future TES game, do so very vaguely. (it'll have to be cause hell its an MMO where everyone is the hero)

2) For those that will play the MMO, that it will be the same tired old crap WoW poop that gets re-released every year under a different IP. Be it Warcraft, Warhammer, Star Wars, whatever. They all follow the same basic framework in order to get funding, because MMOs are veeeeeery expensive.
If not for the funding aspect, I would be comforted by Matt Firor being the chosen one leading this project.

Matt Firor is a great guy who's made great games. I STILL play daoc every once in a while, but that is only because it is really not much like the other MMOs that everyone has become used to. Playing daoc is more like playing... its not really like anything else, and its a great game. So theres a little bit of hope for those that want to play it, that its more like DAoC than WoW.

We'll see. Come on Matt, its up to you now.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:04 am

Matt Firor is a great guy who's made great games. I STILL play daoc every once in a while, but that is only because it is really not much like the other MMOs that everyone has become used to. Playing daoc is more like playing... its not really like anything else, and its a great game. So theres a little bit of hope for those that want to play it, that its more like DAoC than WoW.

We'll see. Come on Matt, its up to you now.

Yep, I feel similar. I'm going to give this one the benefit of the doubt because of Matt Firor, and because I'm hoping this game feels more like DAOC 2 than WoW 2.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:58 am

This is a great idea, imo. Thank you, Zenimax, for having the brains to hire Matt Firor and giving him the freedom to develop his vision.

His... vision?

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:07 am

what does IP stand for? initial premise?

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:41 am

what does IP stand for? initial premise?

Intellectual Property

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:34 am

Intellectual Property

oic thanks

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:07 am

its not a bad idea. Or at least not yet we don't know much about the game to even judge it at all.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:33 pm

The idea is good, but the execution is terrible. My expectations aren't that high when it's clearly a clone of WoW in terms of Game-play. When I was reading the GI article I felt like they were trying to say, "This is going to be exactly like WoW, but it will be awesome and unique".

Whatever...

WoW made a lot of money for it's time, and other developers simply want a piece of the cake. WoW wasn't a horrible game, I personally did not like it, but the horrible thing is, every MMO made since WoW has been a clone of it with no sense of innovation. The online experience is very appealing to a large number of people, but it's just the same crap in a different setting over and over again.

edit: If anything, it will be like WoW, but with some minor improvements in terms of gameplay, quests, and leveling up. There will be a lot of people that will most likely enjoy the game. I probably won't be one of them.