Now to the people responsible for the games testing. You failed completely.

If I were head of Bethesda you would all lose your jobs

That's an ignorant, immature thing to say.

If they call the problems I've been experiencing non-fatal, the I would hate to see what they call a fatal bug...

No, that's my opinion.

And it's your opinion that what I said was ignorant and immature.

Yes, I may be overreacting a tiny bit, but if you experienced what I, and many others have you might not be so laid back right now as well.

They may not of encountered it during testing, most of us haven't during playing. Now they are possibly trying to re-create it and won't discuss it till they zero in on the cause as per company policy.

How was what he said ignorant and immature? It is an obvious bug that would easily be caught in game testing. They either didn't test the game or released it, knowing it was broken. It's so simple.

Anger over the issue is completely understandable

Yup, without a doubt. A mix of whine and entitlement - whintlement.

Again, how is a wanting a playable game entitlement? You're a complete idiot.

It was ignorant because he does not know the internal policies and workings of the company and game coding/testing. It wasn't immature, that's just the guy's opinion. Ignorance isn't an abusive term, you're ignorant to stem cell research

Funny how those who aren't experiencing problems are quick to insult us that are.

Why are you even here?

Actually I've looked into stem cell research, but I am ignorant when comes to science in general.

The fact is, they screwed up. No we don't know the inner workings of the company, but based upon the evidence we have, it's fracked up. For whatever reason, they released a broken game. They were likely in financial trouble and couldn't afford to delay the release. Or they thought releasing it broken was better than pushing back Todd Howards beloved 11-11-11 release date. Granted, pushing back release dates is bad for business, but it isn't as bad as releasing broken games full of broken promises.

I actually laughed at the old Oblivion lies, but now they have just repeated themselves. This new engine is simply the same old broken one, just with chrome to make it look better for marketing.

Heh, just my luck I picked that example...

I completely agree, it's the same old story when it comes to this engine. I was just as mad with Fallout 3.

Let me make it quite clear that I am indeed ignorant as to all the details of making a game like this.

I'll be honest, I don't know if they knew this game was broken, or if they had no choice and this was the best way out, or if they're working their a**es off to fix this.
Or anything really.
All I know is what I've seen with this company in the past, how this game preforms, and my gut feeling on the whole situation.

And at the very least they're doing a very bad job reassuring us that this will be fixed.

What's this? More troll posts by Drago64? Who would have guessed!

Anyways, this is the exact reason I'm not touching my copy of the game until an update that fixes everything is released. I'm just gonna get frustrated with all the bugs and glitches. If there's nothing within the month...well, I'll be getting my money back.

What PCs do you guys have? You could replace your PS3 copy with the PC copy. You don't need a high end PC, I'm running on ultra settings with an AMD X2 250 and ATI HD4850, basically a puter from 2008 and in gaming terms it was average back then. Just throwing some suggestions out there to help stop the stress.

Except that the people who already opened their games won't be able to get full refunds, and I doubt anyone that has a bad enough experience that they want to return the game is willing to shell out another $60 (or is it $50 on PC?) for the game again.

This is downright depressing.

My only pc is a hp laptop with 3gb of ram and no graphic card upgrade or anything.

I used to work at GameCrazy, and I never really needed to throw my hard-earned cash down on new releases like this; I could just borrow an already-opened copy from the store. Perhaps this is why the justification of spending $60 (a good chunk of cash for the common individual) is hard for me to swallow. I was kind of spoiled. Hell, I never even purchased Oblivion, I just played it during my slow days at work. But I think anyone would agree that $60 is a lot of money.

But I digress...

Skyrim has had me completely enthralled for awhile now. I have always loved the Elder Scrolls series, and have been a big fan since Daggerfall. I had my qualms about the direction Bethesda took with Oblivion (stat-scaling was awful), but the allure of Elder Scrolls has always had me by the balls. I am a self-proclaimed uber geek, I have no problem admitting that, and I even take pride in it. However, I don't get hyped up as much as I did when I was a teen about game releases. I have obligations that I tend to before I sit down and enjoy a game. So perhaps this is a bit of an existential crisis, knowing that I have waited five years for this game only to have bug, after bug, after bug, after bug squash my expectations (as skewed as they may have been)... until finally I witness my hours of semi-enjoyment vanish into thin air along with my save file.

Should I start over and invest more of my time into this game? No, I don't think that's a fair risk to take as a consumer. I sold my copy shortly after posting my frustrations. I am not happy about it, and I know the developers over at Bethesda must be devastated to see so many complaints directed toward something they are quite passionate about. Or perhaps they are numb to the critique after the travesty that was the Fallout PS3 release. Either way, my middle finger is still raised... that [censored] hype can be a real b*tch man.

TL;DR- Don't put any of your time into this game until these game-breaking bugs are squashed...