To extend on that. If you do get together keep in mind how often the days are good and how hard you have to work to make them so. Sometimes no matter how good those days are if they're few and far between you'll be setting yourself up for a fall, you'll be keeping a relationship on life support because of clinging to an ideal.

Personally I'd want to ruffle her feathers and get it into her head that she can't take you for granted, even out the balance of the relationship be it romantic or not.

For someone with an anolytical mindset it'll probably be worth forcing yourself out of your comfort zone. Strike up conversation with ten women, don't think about "are they out of your league" just make the effort. Don't try and make some long winded and convoluted strategy, just make the connection, if it falls flat, discard and move on. Get into the habbit of communicating without agonising over it working out perfectly. Meet new people, have fun, learn what you're good at and how to express that to others.

Most of all though. Good luck!

If your interested in her then your interested in her. If she acts like that and your still interested in her then your interested in her.
Just don't let her walk all over you.

Don't let her know your too interested in her, then she may not be interested. But if you are still feelin her I say you should let her know. the only reason to chase someone is because of interest right?

Women! *throws hands in air and stomps off*

Ask her out for a drink. Get really drunk and see what happens when both of your inhibitions get toned down a bit. This relationship of yours feels like a very inhibited one in certain areas. Outrageous flirting and perverted talk that leads to nothing for 5 years seems like it should have led somewhere by now even in most extreme cases, especially if you yourself have feelings for her. Inhibitions exist somewhere in this equation. See what happens when you reduce them a little. Might get a better equation out of the deal. Add a bed, subtract some clothes, divide the legs and pray to whatever god(s) you do or don't believe in you do not multiply.

Wow. And I thought I was barmy.

I think I know what you're getting at, but don't worry, I didn't start hanging out with her until she was nineteen, and the 'feelings' didn't start until she was twenty. Interestingly enough, her dad is a little over ten years older than her mom, but she didn't realise this until recently (her parents divorced when she was young).


Uh, yea, Brock is a guys name and I am a straight guy.
Are you trying so say that I'm fat and stupid? I kid. She's a bit heavy herself, and doesn't seem too picky, unless the guy is really overweight. This last guy is bigger than me, but not in a pudgy way (he used to be a bouncer).
Her current education level is higher than mine, but I'm the person that everyone thinks knows everything. Her sister tried to challenge me, and didn't succeed. Her best friend tried to challenge me, and quickly learned that I can hold my own.


No, my mom was old fashioned, hers is just a typical mother- wants what's best for her, and for her to be able to take care of herself and not make the same mistakes that she made.
And these two fight like cats and dogs, I even witnessed one of their fights and couldn't believe it.


Profound. I need to ponder on this some more.
If that doesn't sound too... ridiculous, some parts of it may be right, some of it may not be. I didn't start off meaning for anything more to happen, just along the way things happened.





First off, she's not legal drinking age for eleven days. Second, I do not believe that I would be pleasant to be around while drunk, anyways, I have a psychological aversion to alcohol.
The dirty talk only started a few months ago, and five years ago I would have been in a world of trouble if I tried to have a relationship with her other than being friends. There's only been one time that suggested something that the two of us could do, other than that it was her and a random nameless guy or two random nameless people. Although I have to wonder what would have happened that one time if the girl that works with her hadn't walk in on that convo, I was about to say something suggestive.

Oh, and I've told her that pick-up line before.


You're gonna have to help me, Lostie, I'm not familiar with that bit o' slang.

Well I forgot her age lol. I assumed you knew her as an advlt for 5 years.
Alcohol wasn't supposed to be a wise suggestion. Just one that might bring you some closure in one way or another. This doesn't seem like a very healthy relationship for you. At least from what has been said by you, no offense. It may be fun while you're with her but you are obviously kind of chewed up about it and have been for months if I am remembering your first thread's timing correctly. You need to make a move or make a decision to never make a move and move on. I cannot really say it any nicer. JAHO may seem overused but in your case you either
A) Need to just get the idea of romance with her out of your head. Start thinking of her as merely a friend and nothing more. This will probably be the slowest and most wearisome route imo.

B ) Make your feelings known, hope for the best and just tell her that that is why you have been avoiding her(You were correct? Or she was avoiding you? Either way avoidance was happening) you can say you were avoiding her anyways and it will probably garner a reaction that can only be positive at this point for your relationship with her romantic or otherwise. You are certainly getting the short end of the stick here. Seems like she is not being a very great friend by leaving you hanging. Lots of girls do this for some reason, not all by any means but still a rather significant number, guys do it too. It is called stringing them along. As a previous poster has said, you may be fixated with her because, through whatever processes, you have not had any significant romantic relationship with any other women before. You may be putting too much pressure to convince yourself there is a chance when any chance likely has passed already. Sorry man, some people have self esteem issues and they deal with that by stringing someone along in their life through various means. She may not even be aware of it. This is of course faulty assumption and speculation on my part as I am working with admittedly limited data. I could very easily be wrong. In any case if she had a positive reaction and you start dating, then YAY Cheese for everyone! If not and a negative reaction occurs then NAY Cheese for no one!(In other words you just forget the entire relationship, I have done it before and it IS difficult but you need to recognize that what you are feeling is kind of unhealthy. Something NEEDS to change.

C) Just say [censored] it and be done with it. Immediate and clean cut. It will svck for awhile but then it will be done. No more worries. Move on. Actively look for other women to date. Make an effort. Once the romance starts it is hard to just go back to lonely Joe. Even if the romance is one sided.

That was NOT exactly a pick up line btw. That IS a joke. Lol, never use that in anything but a joking manner. I am sure you are aware of that. It can be used as a pick up line but mileage may vary. A LOT!

Oh, she knows about my feelings for her, it hasn't exactly been a secret for a while, and it's been known by a few other people as well (the other girl who works at her mom's, her 'uncle', her best friend realised it shortly after meeting me, my boss [who's been like a second dad to her for longer than I've known her], possibly other people, and someone must've told her mom along the way).

*mind just went blank*

Anyways, I haven't really been avoiding her per se, it's just that this is the longest time in the past year and a half that there's been NO contact between us at all, either face-to-face or via text. It has only been three weeks though, but she could contact me any time that she wants to as well.
Although, as I was leaving work today I drove past the place that she works at (it IS on the route that I drive home) and when I saw her vehicle in the parking lot, I found that my fingers where on the turn signal stalk. Nearly smacked myself. I know that her mom reminded me that she's working there full time during the summer (probably trying to not-so-subtly say that I should stop in there and talk to her), but I already knew that.

*focus is really not on this topic*

My personal plans are to achieve neutral balance again (I am anolytical, but a bit of a mystic as well ) and find where things take me from there.
I will admit that through work I do talk to a lot of attractive young ladies (and I think that a few of them are single), and there is one that I have thought of maybe seeing what could happen if I try anything. There is one thing that I'm a tad worried about, but it goes against the forum rules so I won't mention it....


Last summer I started telling her pick-up lines like jokes, but she knew that's all that they were; she even made me tell that one to an ex-boyfriend of hers, not easy, but I still did it.


That's all for now.

Trust me, it's most likely average. A lot of men worry about it, but they really shouldn't. Besides, we have our fingers and tongues to get the job done if we fail by conventional methods.

Um, no. Actually I was referring to the 'no discussion of religion or politics on the forums' rules....

Suure. Really, it's fine, your secret is safe with us.

How big is too big though?



Some people cannot handle someone with too big of an emphasis on religion...

Depends on how much the recipient enjoys and feels right with the religion/ideology/mindset.

Conversion's always an option.

Like I said, men over think this too much. Wagging a finger and being a silver tongued devil (pardon the pun) can make up for any shortcomings or overshooting on emphasis. It's the over compensation women don't like, most of the time.

Trick is to be comfortable and confident regardless.

What does this have to do with religion sir!?

Gets it. Nicely put!

Twas just poking a bit of fun. Skill is what is important for dealing with those highly 'religious' relationships. If you have that skill your partner will certainly go to 'heaven'. Feeling like your 'faith' is not good enough for your partner just makes any of its shortcomings more obvious and you less desirable. Obstacles are meant to be overcum.

I was referring to emphasis in general.

You guys are frik-kin hilar-ious!

Anyways, not something that I'm worried about, and not something that I think this other girl would be worried around. The girl who had my head messed up though I'm not certain, those of us who know her have an idea of her 'standards'.

Kinda surprised this hasn't been locked yet....

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What's with the lines... I dont even know what you mean z.z

Your age?


In any case, think size....

Take my advice; Listen to this guy and take his advice. He knows what hes talking about.

Honestly, most females actually dislike the men with the "Over-stroked" ego attitude. Especially in bed. They don't really care for what she wants and just focus on what they want; thus, an unsatisfied women. Men who are.. Uncomfortable with their size per-se.. Will actually try harder to please the women; mostly because they don't want her to feel unsatisfied. Thus, they put her needs first, and Voila! Magic satisfaction.


I'd recommend these things first, actually, and save the best for last. But that's just me.

If we're talking order of actions, then I do that first as well, considering its more satisfying for her. The phrase "ladies first" applies.

So the JAHO thread turned into a Just Strip Her Out thread, charming.

I usually start that way as well, but not entirely out of courtesy. I like to go to sleep when I'm finished.

Depending on the girl, I'm more of a cuddler. Until I have to take a leak of course...