1.8 BetaSolstheim DLC discussion Thread - #21 : V - Skyrim

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:16 am

It's not hard to explain at all!

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g263/YessMasster/RealMannimarco.jpg

:teehee:

That was hilarious...

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:57 pm

Ah, the Warp in the West split them?

Im not really qualified to answer that...

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:16 am

The gem held his life force, but it never says explicitly that Jagar was a Lich or becoming one.

Why would he put his life force in a gem if not for that very purpose?

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:36 pm

They have? What is said explanation?

AFAIK, there's still some question as to who or what Mannimarco IS. Possibly even divine (and just possessing mortal vessels). I kind of like the idea of Mannimarco being a coalesced kind of "wash off" of Magnus, a kind of clotted dark magical energy, making him actually part of and a son of Magnus.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:08 pm

The gem held his life force, but it never says explicitly that Jagar was a Lich or becoming one.

Maybe. Maybe not.. But I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back as a Lich.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:08 pm

Im not really qualified to answer that...

Well, I know the theory that, because of the Warp in the West, both timelines are real: the one in which he remained (im)mortal on Nirn, and the other in which he ascended to true godhood.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:49 pm

Why would he put his life force in a gem if not for that very purpose?

"In 3E 389, Jagar Tharn took the Staff of Chaos from Barenziah's court after seducing her. He used the staff to imprison Emperor Uriel Septim VII in the realm of Oblivion and then to kill his apprentice Ria Silmane so the Elder Council could not learn of his betrayal. Tharn wanted to make sure no one could release the emperor, so he attempted to destroy the staff. However, since the Staff of Chaos is indestructible, it was split into eight pieces, which Tharn then hid in forgotten, dangerous places throughout Tamriel. Tharn then made sure that no one could ever recreate the staff by draining its magical power into the Jewel of Fire, which he kept hidden in the Imperial Palace."

More power I would say. Not to become this:

http://images.uesp.net/1/1b/ArenaLich.gif

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:03 am

Well, I know the theory that, because of the Warp in the West, both timelines are real: the one in which he remains (im)mortal on Nirn, and the other in which he ascended to true godhood.

Another theory is that the king of worms we see in Oblivion is a corpse possessed by the true king of worms.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:19 pm

Highly unlikely since we've been to Solstheim before and never saw this Miraak Temple. It has to been recent.

In the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGIgXeGC6Dg around 2:40 it shows a large room with dragons in it. It appears to be in an underground dungeon, so it could have been missed in Bloodmoon.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:27 am

Quick, change the Telvanni Tower link to that deviant art picture and the Netch link to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Netch#Netch before someone gets mad!

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:28 pm

King of Worms? No... Dagoth Ur? No.. Seriously! An "ancient" TES player better get who I am thinking about!

i thought you were talking about dagoth ur. 0.0

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:37 pm

Another theory is that the king of worms we see in Oblivion is a corpse possessed by the true king of worms.

^^^This. Also that Malyn Varen's failure might have has something to do with Mannimarco's intereference (no proof at all, just a feeling).

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:19 pm

In the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGIgXeGC6Dg around 2:40 it shows a large room with dragons in it. It appears to be in an underground dungeon, so it could have been missed in Bloodmoon.

True but I highly doubt it atm...

I'm going more with the idea of Jagar Tharn return... Sounds like a cool questline to me.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:34 am

True but I highly doubt it atm...

I'm going more with the idea of Jagar Tharn return... Sounds like a cool questline to me.

OH, And he's mutated, he gained tentacles all over his body due to some deal with Mora.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:29 am

I'm going more with the idea of Jagar Tharn return... Sounds like a cool questline to me.

It sounds epic, you had a very nice idea there.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:13 pm

I'm new here, actually joined specifically to share my theory:

Spoiler

Vivec. True, he lost his godhood after the Nerevarine took down Dagoth Ur. And he disappeared during the Oblivion Crisis (some say he was pulled into Oblivion, some say he fled to Solstheim, but nobody knows for sure), and he is most likely dead. However, it's not so easy to kill a god, even one who isn't a god anymore. I believe he may have found a way to stay alive for the past two hundred years, to face seeing first his city then his entire island destroyed (the Ministry of Truth fell on Vivec City, and then Red Mountain erupted). One way for him to stay alive may be that Azura further cursed him to see how far the Dunmer have fallen.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:34 pm

I'm new here, actually joined specifically to share my theory:

Spoiler

Vivec. True, he lost his godhood after the Nerevarine took down Dagoth Ur. And he disappeared during the Oblivion Crisis (some say he was pulled into Oblivion, some say he fled to Solstheim, but nobody knows for sure), and he is most likely dead. However, it's not so easy to kill a god, even one who isn't a god anymore. I believe he may have found a way to stay alive for the past two hundred years, to face seeing first his city then his entire island destroyed (the Ministry of Truth fell on Vivec City, and then Red Mountain erupted). One way for him to stay alive may be that Azura further cursed him to see how far the Dunmer have fallen.

Have a fishy stick lad , http://images.uesp.net/c/c4/Fishystick.jpg

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:21 am

I'm new here, actually joined specifically to share my theory:

Spoiler

Vivec. True, he lost his godhood after the Nerevarine took down Dagoth Ur. And he disappeared during the Oblivion Crisis (some say he was pulled into Oblivion, some say he fled to Solstheim, but nobody knows for sure), and he is most likely dead. However, it's not so easy to kill a god, even one who isn't a god anymore. I believe he may have found a way to stay alive for the past two hundred years, to face seeing first his city then his entire island destroyed (the Ministry of Truth fell on Vivec City, and then Red Mountain erupted). One way for him to stay alive may be that Azura further cursed him to see how far the Dunmer have fallen.

Vivec achieved CHIM, so by all means, the loss of the Heart of the World does not mean as much to him as it meant to Almalexia and Sotha Sil.
You may be interested in this:

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec

It's not offical lore, but written by a former Bethesda writer, Michael Kirkbride (and some other developers). MK is the guy behind pretty much everything story- and lore-related in Morrowind.

Also: where is it mentioned that Vivec fled to Solstheim?
I can only recall that he could have been taken by the Daedra.

Welcome to the forums. :bunny:

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:18 pm

Highly unlikely since we've been to Solstheim before and never saw this Miraak Temple. It has to been recent.

im sure a temple could have fromed from underground from the eruption (assuming there was an earthquake)
Just some players think that a lot doesnt change over how long ago morrowind was before skyrim.

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:48 am

I gave my first fishy stick...

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:43 am

I gave my first fishy stick...

as a reward, you get a Sticky Fish

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:05 pm

as a reward, you get a Sticky Fish

Yummmmm

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:51 pm

Yummmmm

I love that emoticon.

OH, And he's mutated, he gained tentacles all over his body due to some deal with Mora.

Things are getting a little "Pirates of the Caribbean"-y in here...

» Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:51 am

whoa, what?

spears are being added? and dragon mounts? are we 100% sure about that?

...that makes it even more painful knowing the ps3 will never get any of the expansion packs. :cry: