she's talking about the snow elves, not falmer, no offense but you need to actually think about what you are reading.

Do you get to wear their armor? I forgot that I wanted it before I Fus Ro Dah'ed the vampire off the balcony :/

yes

I feel like the snow elves (not the falmer, they're to savage to really think about it in my opinion...) can't really hold a grudge against any of the other races. They fought a war against the nords 4000 years ago, they lost, these things happen, however their true betrayal came from the Dwemer, which would be the only race they should really hate, and the Dwemer are gone anyway. So I feel like when Beth shows us these other enclaves (or if, although I really hope it happens), I hope the Snow Elves will be a little more forgiving of the world at large.

...what? She quoted and thusly responded to what I said about the falmer and how they were poisoned, blinded, and all around have gotten the short end of the stick, right?

let me highlight it for you. "Yes, because any sensible being would understand that you can not hold someone responsible for something their ancestors did 4000 (!) years ago." yes she was responding to that, she was responding to the part where you said " So you guys are telling me that if your race was hunted down, blinded, poisoned, stuck in underground holes, and all in all rendered to bumbling cavemen you wouldn't want blood?"

No no, he's right, I meant both, betrayed and snow elves alike.

Because it was 4000 years ago for the betrayed as well, even if the effects are still being felt today. The actual atrocities were commited thousands of years ago by people who are long dead, so who would they take revenge on? Innocent men, women and children? The Nord who inhabit skyrim now can not turn back time. They can not change what their ancestors did. They could try to make up for it and give the betrayed back some land but really, they had nothing to do with it.

And also, the only effects still being felt today are the effects of the toxin. None of the betrayed who live today have lost family or friends to the Nord for example and the dwemer...well...getting revenge on them might prove difficult.

Thank you, that's what i have been trying to tell him but he won't listen. i think he still won't too

I'm not saying the Falmer would succeed in revenge, only that a bulk of them would probably try.

I know the Nords now can't fix what has been done, and I do understand that those who commited the acts are long gone, on both sides. Revenge usually doesn't involve much logic, though. The Falmer are growing though. With all the gold they seem to have on them, I'd even go so far as to say the larger setlements might even have a currency system in place. An organized religion of some form might not be to far off either.

What I'm saying, is that as they grow, they're culture will develope. They'll evolve, and gain a sense for themselves as a people. A real, solid, culture. And they'll start asking questions, like is there a a way to better their lives, what is up on the surface world, and why are they bellow? And at that time, I don't think Gelebor could keep the truth from them any longer.

They'll learn about their past, and quite a few of them will feel, well, betrayed. Their entire culture would be built on a lie, and they're not who they think they are. That would be ... well, horrible. It would be as if the Falmer, even though they would be only learning of the betrayal thousands of years ago, were being betrayed again. Some of them might be able to come to terms with that, but I would venture that the bulk of Falmer would want answers. And with no answers to be found for such a situation, I can only assume blood would be the next thing on the list.

ok... im done one last point though, even if they would seek revenge the original nords and orcs that did it died at least 4500 years ago. and there is no point in killing people that had NOTHING to do with it. whether they are peaceful and only attack in the means of defense or if they are as bad as the orcs is based on opinion. The "Fact" part about it is that they have no one to get revenge on. Because they are all DEAD.

I guess in the end it's impossible for us to predict what they're going to do. I mean we don't even know how intelligent they are exactly. What we do know however, is that they have slaves, so they must have ways to communicate. Otherwise the slaves wouldn't know what the betrayed want them to do, and a servant who can't tell what you want him to do is useless.

If they have a language, our current speculation would be pointless, because with language comes the ability to pass on knowledge so they'd be aware of their past already.

even though there may be other snow elf colonies around it still saddens me to hear the loss of the Vale Snow elves.

Definitely, it made me want to stay there and keep Gelebor company.

Can i get Gelebors shoulderless version of the Ancient Falmer Armor?

And, if that were truth, their increasing raids on the surface world would prove that I was right and the Falmer do resent the Nords and other surface dwellers for what happened to them.

In all seriousness, yes, you are correct in that we can't predict what the Falmer would do. In the end, it really is up to what the devs want to do. I'm just saying, that if I were a writer for Beth, I wouldn't let the Falmer just shrug off their really sad and tragic past easily. Because it is really interesting to learn about, and it is really interesting to see these developing cities the Falmer have going for them. It's their sad past that gives them depth and the possibilities of what they could become in the future that draws players into wanting to see them developed even more as a playable race. It's great that people here want to play as them, but what makes the Falmer, the Falmer, is both their past and their future. If they were able to just shrug off their storied past just so the future could developed to a point where they're a playable race, I personally would feel cheated.

Ya see where I'm coming from? I get the fact the Nords are all gone, for the love of all that is good and holy I get that. But half of the apeal of the Falmer is the fact that they DID have such a horrible past. For them to peacefully shrug off what happened, well, it wouldn' feel right to me. I'd much rather see them struggle with what happened as a race, with large fractions breaking off and trying to take revenge even though the time for that has long since past.

but seriously you are ehh, partially corect i guess but there are a few parts i disagree with, other than that i guess you are right.

Yes, if they have a language and are aware of their past you would be right.
I just feel like they would understand how pointless revenge is, if they were a bit more intelligent than they appear to be.

I think both the Falmer and Nord alike will have to face their past sooner or later anyway though, whether they want to or not. It is unavoidable really. They live in the same province and both populations seem to grow. The Falmer population especially, judging by the villages in the Forgotten Vale (awesome btw!). They have already moved to the surface there and no longer live in just caves or ruins, so sooner or later the Falmer living in dwemer ruins all over skyrim might do the same. Either voluntarily, or because they have to due to cave-ins in the ruins. Dwemer cities were build to last, but some of these ruins (Irkngthand for example) are falling apart by now and are no longer safe.

As soon as the Falmer attempt to live on the surface, they will run into Nord and vice versa, and I bet you anything that the Nord would immediately feel threatened and take offense. They blame the Falmer for just about any misfortune anyway, so there we go Falmer vs Nord 2.0.