I hope so

It would be interesting but it would not be very good for the snow elves because the Dwemmer are the ones that enslaved the Snow elves and nearly wiped them out.

yes but they probably will never be the same

The Betrayed will never return to what they once were, but that isn't to say they couldn't become something different that is just as advanced as what they had reached with the Snow Elves. I just fear that when that happens, they will learn of what happened to them and will want revenge. Most would probably feel like the problem was removed from them, cause they really aren't snow elves anymore, but you know one or two will want to attack the surface world. Right now, the Falmer don't really understand why they hate the surface. Think of what it would be like if they DID understand why they hate the surface.

There's just ... no real way to make up for what happened to them. All Gelebor can do is protect them from the truth for as long as he can, while teaching them about Auri-El until the day comes when the Falmer learn of their war with the Nords and the betrayal of the Dwemer. And with no Dwemer around, it'll only be natural for the blame to fall on the Nords, even if that whole conflict really was a power struggle that went way to far.

i doubt they will really be that violent of a race. because just talking to that one snow elf he seemed really at peace for a guy that knows he is probably the last of his race. And he also said for the Betrayed to evolve they must first throw away their hate.

I think that if they were intelligent enough to understand what happened to them and who they used to be, the betrayed would also learn to let go of their hatred. The Nord that hunted the Falmer to near extinction died thousands of years ago, as did the Dwemer who stole their eyesight. And even if the Dwemer didn't really die, the whole race disappeared, so those who are to blame are long gone. All of them. It is time for the betrayed to move on with their lives.

Gelebor certainly seems to blame no one who's currently alive. He must have experienced horrible things and yet he is friendly to us from the moment we meet him. He even tries to make us, the pc, feel better after killing Vyrthur. I'm sure that if he manages to talk to the betrayed, and they learn about their species from him, that revenge won't necessarily be what they seek. A few might, yes, but probably not the majority.

So you guys are telling me that if your race was hunted down, blinded, poisoned, stuck in underground holes, and all in all rendered to bumbling cavemen you wouldn't want blood?

The Falmer are no longer Snow Elves. Gelebor was able to cope due to his religion, which is probably the only way someone could go through what he had and still come out somewhat sane. You can say pretty words like forgiveness and that's all well and good, but that's just not how a mortal mind would think. When you live all your life in a hole, that's your world. To have someone come and say that your parrents used to live in an amazingly beautiful castle, you're gonna wanna know where in the world that all went wrong. The Falmer are already violent, in that serface world attacks are becoming more and more frequent. For all we know they could be somewhat aware of their situation already.

Like I said, I don't think the entire race will wage a war if/when they find out. But mortal nature would agree with me that a large amount of them would want revenge. They were a thriving people with amazing magic and beautiful castles, only to be reduced to cave dwelling monsters. To have the Betrayed be "okay" with what happened to their people would litterally stomp on all the tragic events that had happened to them.

it depends what race you are, you are only thinking that with a human mind. if you were an orc or a nord you would be pretty mad, yes but these are Snow elves. not an orc or a nord.

No, they're not snow elves. They're falmer. There is no going back to snow elves, because that ship has long sailed. There is no reason to believe they would be okay with what happened in the past. Even their prior actions AS snow elves would show they would probably want revenge. The Night of Tears doesn't exactly paint them in a pretty picture. Now they're even more devolved, and you're telling me they'd be peaceful?

Why wouldn't they have been peaceful back when the first Nords showed up then? Cause that would have solved A LOT of problems.

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they were not peaceful with the nords because they were defending themselves. and falmer hate the surface because they have no idea what it is, they are afraid of it. AND YES, they could be peaceful, it just that they are almost as feral as a wolf right now.

I enjoyed their inclusion. Felt a tinge of sadness killing one, though. Especially after wondering what they'd be like ever since finding the Snow Prince's barrow in Bloodmoon on Solstheim.

Gelebor's comment about the hidden enclaves did give me a bit of hope for them, though.

And I suppose it'll be nice to see intelligent Falmer some time in the future.

me too

Defending themselves? The Night of Tears suggests the Snow Elves attacked the Nords first because the Nords found something magical under their city, and they were scared the Nords would use it against them. And the only other conclution that has been drawn as to what started the war was the Snow elves saw how fast the Nords were reproducing and got scared so they attacked first.

Take your pick. They aren't peaceful.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Night_of_Tears_(book)

whatever the snow elves do is in an act of defense, even if they did attack first they attacked because they were a threat and attacked them in an act of defense. they were afraid that the nords were going to wipe them out (and they helped in wiping them out.) you are doing nothing but proving my point "they got scared so they attacked first" and "they were scared the nords would use it against them." They attacked them because they thought they had to, Don't you see? and they had every right to be scared of them in the end.

So they're a peaceful forgiving race, because they attacked first. Snow Elves, these beings of immense magical power who are above the notions of mere mortal men and orc, responded just like the mortal men and orc would, but somehow they're peaceful for it rather than violent.

How, or should I ask on what planet, does that make any sense.

This. A billion times this.

I'm pretty sure it's been the same races since Arena.

what they DID might not be peaceful, but as a race they are. If the orcs were in their shoes they would keep fighting until the last man,women and child. The snow elves actually tried to save their race by running away and hiding with the dwemmer. The dwemmer made them ingest nasty toxins and made them blind themselves, sure they had a problem with it but did not complain. they are a peaceful race, where in that situation the orcs would start a fight with the dwemmer.

He did say there might be other small pockets of snow elves out there and that they would find that place and find peace.. who know they could rebuild the temple etc.. or next dlc we find a lost city of snow elves or something that would be cool as hell. they are definatley setting something up with them though otherwise they wouldnt say all what they did.

what does that tell you, what he said?.... Bethesda's setting it up to happen i felt it exactly when he said that. why else would Bethesda make him say that?

obviously not on your planet, because i am from earth, and speaking clearly, look, im just going to stop right here before this argument becomes a fight, can we just say no to saying no?

Yes, because any sensible being would understand that you can not hold someone responsible for something their ancestors did 4000 (!) years ago.

I wish that the Snow Prince's armour in Bloodmoon was as cool as the one in Dawnguard.

Look i dont know myself im just guessing but the things the snow elf said make me think there will be more to come from them. Look how advanced they used to be with the way shrines etc im sure some escaped and try to rebuild maybe? will we soon find out i think theres alot we dont know about what really happend between them and the dwemer. he said he would like a chance to speak to the dwemer if he could which was weird.

.... ok

If anyone would want to read a book in skyrim about the snow elves and falmer here is a book i found that's called "the Falmer: a study" it's interesting some of it.





I have studied, and traveled, and explored, and observed, and my hypothesis has finally been confirmed: that the twisted Falmer that inhabit the darkest depths of Skyrim are indeed the snow elves of legend.
No one really knows when the story of the snow elves began, but the ancient work "Fall of the Snow Prince," which is an account of the Battle of the Moesring as transcribed by Lokheim, chronicler to the chieftain Ingjaldr White-Eye, gives a rather vivid account of its ending.
According to this eyewitness account, the great Falmer leader known only as the Snow Prince died in glorious battle, and was buried with honor by his Nord slayers. The remaining snow elves were scattered or slain, and were never heard from again. Or so many thought.
But where the story of the ancient snow elves ends, that of the current-day Falmer begins. For when the snow elf host was shattered on that fateful day, it did not simply disperse - it descended. Into the earth, deep underground. For the Falmer sought sanctuary in the most unlikely of places - Blackreach, far beneath the surface of Skyrim, in the legendary realm of the Dwemer themselves.
Yes, Blackreach exists. I have been there, and unlike most of those who have witnessed its terrible glories, I have returned. And I now know the truth about the Falmer.
After their defeat by the Nords, the dwarves of old agreed to protect the Falmer, but at a terrible price. For these Dwemer did not trust their snow elf guests, and forced them to consume the toxic fungi that once grew deep underground. As a result, the snow elves were rendered blind.
Soon, the majestic snow elves were rendered powerless. They became the dwarves' servants... and then their slaves. But the Dwemer's treachery was so deep, so complete, that they made the fungi an essential part of the Falmer's diet. This guaranteed the weakness of not only their current Falmer thralls, but their offspring as well. The snow elves, for time eternal, would be blind.
But as is always the story with slaves and their masters, the Falmer eventually rebelled. Generations after they first sought solace among the dwarves, and experienced bitter betrayal, the Falmer rose up against their oppressors. They overthrew the dwarves, and fled even further down, into Blackreach's deepest, most hidden reaches.
For decade upon decade, the two sides waged a bitter conflict. A full-fledged and bloody "War of the Crag" that raged deep below Skyrim's surface, completely unbeknownst to the Nords above, a war whose battles and heroes must forever remain lost to our knowledge. Until one day, the war ended. For on that day, the Falmer went to meet their Dwemer foes in battle, only to find that the entire race had... vanished.
Finally free from the threat of their Dwemer overlords, the Falmer were able to spread freely throughout Blackreach. But years of fighting the dwarves had left them bloodthirsty and brutal. Feeling the need to conquer, to kill, they began mounting raids to the surface world.
And so the legends began. Of small, blind, goblin-like creatures who would rise from the cracks of the earth, in the dead of night, to slaughter cattle, attack lonely travelers, and steal sleeping babes from their cribs.
In recent years, however, the sightings of these creatures have become more and more frequent. Their raids, more organized. Their attacks, more brutal. In fact, one might even come to the conclusion that the Falmer are ready to change once again. Could it be true? Are the snow elves of ages past ready to reclaim their long-forgotten glory? Are they ready to surge to the surface, and make war upon the "light dwellers"?
If that happens - if the Falmer are indeed planning on reconquering Skyrim - I fear a horror neither man nor gods could possibly stand against.

Actions define the kind of race it was. Giving up on a war they started does not show that they were peaceful, that shows they didn't want to go extinct at the hands of the Nords, so they let the Dwemer blind them. And when drugs we're talking about here are involved, I'm willing to bet they didn't really get a chance to complain to the Dwemer when the deal really started to head south. And with what we've seen of dwemer traps and torture devices, I'm willing to also venture that many didn't want to complain in the first place.

The Snow elves gave up their sight, as a race. Can you imagine the debates that would have raged on until such a decition was made? The weight of that kind of choice is huge. You can assum that they weren't going to survive if they didn't take the deal. I hardly doubt the snow elves felt bad about starting the war with the nords, so took blindness as a form of punishment. It was blindness, or extinction.

You can of course do as you please, but I really don't see how a supposedly higher being attacking first could be seen as peaceful.


But it wasn't 4000 years ago to the Falmer, maybe a Snow Elf, but not a falmer. It's effects are still being felt today. They live in holes in the ground. They're blind. They're forced to live like cavemen when prior they were living like kings. That would shake the foundation of even the most peaceful person, let alone a race.


And heck, "The Falmer: A study" supports my claim. They rebelled against the dwemer, or so the writer says. How can you say the falmer would rebel against the Dwemer who blinded them, but not the Nords who forced them to take the Dwemer's raw deal in the first place?