Never said casuals meant that.

But if you're on this forum, you aren't a casual gamer. The only time a casual gamer spends on a game is the time they are playing the game. If you are on this forum you are spending time on the game in a fashion outside of the game itself, thus not being a "casual" fan of the game because you are devoting more time to it.

most MMOs i have played try to help out people that dont have the time to play a lot, doesnt mean they are catering to casuals( a term i also hate) MMOS help players by allowing them to get certain armors without having to run instances, by paying an in game currency.

then they add alot of stuff for the end game players, be it more gear, instance etc i dont think TESO would change that philosophy IMO

most mmos have content that is considerably more hardcoe than any TES game (not including mods).

Not that I like them more, just saying.

I'm more worried about it being too casual with the lore and world building. I'm still afraid of players that name their characters "Teh1337haxdarkelvzrcool!" and the like and stuff like that. I hope that this game will be challenging, which is a problem with many free MMO's I play (I'm a cheap bastard, sue me). Skyrim's difficulty bored me (even on Master).

There really is no hard and fast definition to what being a "casual".

Sometimes the player is very skilled in playing, but can only spend 1 hour every two days playing.....but doesn't complain they can't get anything done (or anything 'worth' doing done), because perhaps they realize that in MMORPG your character is as powerful as the amount of dedication you put into it, and knows his place....or he just doesn't care.

Sometimes the player is very skilled in playing, but can only spend 1 hour every two days playing...but complains that they can't get anything done so they cry to the studio about how their money is greener that those who do dedicate themselves and demands the fast-track to the end-game at the expense of the game design itself.

Sometime the player svckS, and obviously show signs that the player has never spent enough time with his character to know how to really play him nor the game mechanics, and complains that they can't get anything done so they cry to the studio about how their money is greener that those who do dedicate themselves and demands the fast-track to the end-game at the expense of the game design itself. (aka baddie)


I'm just throwing that out here.....but again, it's not what my topic is about.

Caring about what other people name their characters... why do you waste your time with this?


Yes there is.

You can turn off quest indicators.

There's an easy solution for this. If we see someone whose character has a stupid name, we can rename them for ourselves. The game would generate a random lore-friendly name, and whenever we see that player again, the name it gave them would be what we see. To anyone else it will appear however it really is, or whatever random name the game generated for them.

Nothing really to do for Leetish-speakers. I always roleplay as if I cannot understand their language when they cannot be bothered to use real words.

Actually, we should be able to turn them on. They should be off by default.

Works until you befriend that person and call them the name the game set for them rather than their actual name, thus them not knowing who you are talking to.

How can there be?

I know "Casuals" who play the game, and are good at it, but can't put in the time a more dedicated player could.

and there are "Casuals" who play the game, and aren't good at it because they have never bothered learning the mechanics, but still expect something because they bought the game....

too many factors to put a hard and fast rule on it.....regardless it is the crying-casuals and baddies that make the rest of the casuals look bad.

A casual gamer is a player whose time or interest in playing games is limited.

Being casual or not does not simply rely on your skill playing the game. You could be a veritable magician at Bejewelled but still be a casual gamer, because you pick up Bejewelled for a few minutes at a time and never think about it when you're not playing it. A casual gamer is most generally defined as a player who only takes a passing interest in gaming.

How would that help when there are no directions and any information is missing? Most of the directions are 'let me mark this on your map' types. The quests are designed around quest markers. There is literally no way to accomplish a quest other than the clairvoyance spell. So if I have a smart warrior/thief or anyone who doesn't use magic because yeah, I like to RP, how do I complete quests?

Thanks for the well thought out response. Quest markers are an issue. I'm not the only one who feels that way. They should be an option, not the only option.

As for casual gaming? It's in the words. You take games casually and you are a casual gamer.

Well that seems like a rather backwards way of thinking. "Here guy that has never messed with any settings before and just wants to play the game, there's quest markers, go into these labrynthine menus and find them."

No, I think it makes total sense that they did it the way they did. The vast majority of the people are going to want them on, thus they are the default. Does that really not make sense to you or are you just bloviating?

Totally agree. I have found that there is usually information regarding the quest, but you have to talk to everyone. Is this better? I'm not sure. I personally do not mind the quest markers, although I'm now tempted to go back in and turn them off and see how I do and if I can find out the information in another way.

Oh yes,...."I" understand that...

but a great number of gamers don't.

or should I say a great number of 'modern' MMO players don't.

They see the stigma more than the excusable lifestyle. Already on this thread I sensed people sharpening their pitchforks thinking I'm about to spout off some elitest garbage on properitary rights to the MMORPG genre. And in truth I might be walking that line, but the greater truth is that studios (of past and current MMOs) allow the game designs to suffer a lot in order to sell the game to a wider base. That wider base is the 'casuals'. And it was 'casuals' that turned WoW the way it is today (over it's 7-8 year life), and why SWTOR is the way it is since it released to compete with WoW....and I bet that there isn't one gaming fourm outside here asking that same question of "TESO = WoW?". And then that's where my subject comes in, are we to expect the same thing?

People see the stigma before the "true" definition. With that stigma in place what really is the definition? I didn't write that rule, it's the way it is.

True.

And being both a gamer and a designer I hate gamers for the rift they have caused.

The problem is that instead of verbal directions as a fallback there simply aren't any. The directions and journal do not update. So once you get to a location you might have no idea what you are doing or why you are even there because all the updates to your quests stages are not saved to your journal. So if you have old quests in your log you usually have no clue what they were about or even what hints you were given if you save them for later unless you remember back like 100+ game hours ago. Which usually means like a month or a few weeks ago.

It's an MMO. Just google whatever the most optimal build is and make sure you press your number keys at the right time.