What the hell, Its been a week since I have played, and I keep seeing more and more AND MORE people getting the same problem, so I'm not alone, but why are we being kept in the dark? There has been no post by Bethesda/obsidian telling us "we are working on it, or that it's going through certification" which would be nice to see. I don't mind waiting but I'm f u cking pissed off that we haven't heard any news other than a few players posting their solutions, which to be honest don't help. Bottom line, fix it, keep us updated.

They're not acting "like they're shareholders", they are acting like paying customers. I think everybody understands that a few bugs are inevitable in a game such as Fallout. However, bugs that make it virtually impossible to play the game are a different matter. It's like buying a candy bar, but the wrapping paper is made out of titanium, with only a small hole in the side. You can either melt the candy bar and svck the content out with a straw, or wait for a special scissor from the manufacturer, that may or may not help you open the wrapping.

As for people being angry over this and creating new threads; You say it makes it difficult for Obsidian to track down these issues. Really? Maybe it would be easier for them to spot something is wrong if there only were one mention of the dlc/save game bug in an excisting thread, filled with other issues and bugs?

The reason people start new threads is that the bugs make the game virtually unplayable! They have paid money for a product THAT DOES NOT WORK. It is by no means unreasonable for paying customers to require at least an update on how long they will have to wait to get a working product. This isn't about a small glitch that makes NPC's sing christmas songs out of tune, it's about not being able to play the game at all!

As for the anology with the car and the mechanic. I don't expect to have to tell the mechanic how to do his job. I especially don't expect the manufacturer of the car to sell me a car without a gearbox.

And what about the last bit of the quote; What makes us think we're so special. Hmm... let's see... We don't think we're special, we are paying customers who don't like the feeling of pissing away money on stuff that doesn't work. Of course, if paying 60$ for a game doesn't mean anything, then we might as well get the pirated versions of future Bethesda games, right? It's only 60$, they'll never know it's missing. It's nothing special. No one will care. And then nobody will have to read threads like this ever again. Great! Problem solved! Thanks!

The fact remains (and my point all along) that if people kept these discussions centralized instead of spread out over 100 threads, most of which have a title that gives absolutely no indication as to the content of the post, then it would be easier (and faster) for Obsidian to pin down the problems and fix them.

People seem to think I'm supporting Obsidian and Beth, when the truth is I'm not. This release is atrocious, period. But it's nowhere near as atrocious as the people that come to these forums acting like they're shareholders just because they bought a $60 game.

I've never, not once said that Obsidian should be given a break. I've consistently said that the people on these forums need to be SMARTER about how they approach these issues. Starting a new thread every day for the same issue when there's 2 other threads on that issue ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THREADS is doing nothing but making it more difficult for Obsidian to track down these issues.

Let's say your car is broken and you want it fixed. Would you rather the mechanic has to read one book to find the issue and fix it, or would you rather he has to read 2-3 pages out of 100 different books?

As for the topic of this thread. Software companies by and large do not keep the public up to date about their progress when fixing issues. What makes you people think you're all of a sudden special because you paid $60 for their game?

It's pretty hilarious how people are acting like Obsidian or Bethesda need help identifying what the bugs/glitches are.

You're expecting a multi-billion dollar corporation to change their business practices because you spent $60 on one of their products. It's asinine.

The fact remains (and my point all along) that if people kept these discussions centralized instead of spread out over 100 threads, most of which have a title that gives absolutely no indication as to the content of the post, then it would be easier (and faster) for Obsidian to pin down the problems and fix them. I want these problems fixed as much as those that have suffered from them. I'm fully prepared to play through 4 times to see all the major faction endings and I'm reluctant to start my second character with these problems existing.

But by all means, don't help the community by working WITH the developers. Just keep doing what you're doing because that will show em who's boss, right? Seriously, people are so upset over a game (and I admit I'd be pissed too if I had these problems) that they're blind to COMMON SENSE. It's not like I'm sitting here telling people not to post their problems or be angry about it. All I'm asking people to do is be SMART about it.

You're expecting a multi-billion dollar corporation to change their business practices because you spent $60 on one of their products. It's asinine.

The fact remains (and my point all along) that if people kept these discussions centralized instead of spread out over 100 threads, most of which have a title that gives absolutely no indication as to the content of the post, then it would be easier (and faster) for Obsidian to pin down the problems and fix them. I want these problems fixed as much as those that have suffered from them. I'm fully prepared to play through 4 times to see all the major faction endings and I'm reluctant to start my second character with these problems existing.

But by all means, don't help the community by working WITH the developers. Just keep doing what you're doing because that will show em who's boss, right? Seriously, people are so upset over a game (and I admit I'd be pissed too if I had these problems) that they're blind to COMMON SENSE. It's not like I'm sitting here telling people not to post their problems or be angry about it. All I'm asking people to do is be SMART about it.

Need help? No. However, it does help regardless of what you think.

You don't know what you're talking about. The major bugs were all well known before the game even launched, they don't need to confirm a bunch of people are experiencing them. They know what the bugs are, they're choosing not to fix them for whatever reason.

Are you stupid or something? Every game Bethesda or Obsidian have been involved with have had numerous bugs that were never addressed - and they keep selling games.

Troll status confirmed, back to your bridge please.

I come here and help people try and work around these bugs, you come here to whine like a child who had his favorite toy taken from him.

And I'm the troll? :rofl: