What I think OP is/was trying to say is that if your complaining about the game being unbalanced, then don't unbalance the game. If you wish to unbalance it, feel free to. Yes, a Warrior can obviously know about enchanting. There's no reason why he can't, like in the quote above. I didn't feel like reading all 10 pages so please excuse me if someone already said this.

you are a complete fool

Actually, my character is just that and I don't feel the least bit underpowered. 91 Speech, 100 Pickpocketing, (Not crafting), and 100 smithing. Pro all the way.

Why should I roleplay just to get the most out of the game? Do you see how that's [censored], not everybody is that into fairytales sorry.

Everyone stop [censored]ing and play the game how you want to. I roleplay, you level grind. Have at it, Junior.

Required (and probably useless) disclaimer: I love Skyrim, but the combat and character development is, IMO, sloppy and needs a lot of work.

I'm not an action gamer, I think Master is too easy (for many builds), and I think that the secret of fun combat is max/min-ing. Many games require thought and "work" in order to develop exploits for your character, but in Skyrim the exploits are built right into the perk tree. So, like navigating a mine field, you have to very carefully tiptoe through the perk tree avoiding synergies that amplify your character's power to demigod. I feel like there's more work required in Skyrim to avoid an overpowered build than there was planning characters in Oblivion or Morrowind. But at least the perk spreadsheet is hidden behind a fancy looking, cumbersome, and horrible to use UI.

Conjuration plus most builds is OP, and the higher the difficulty, the more amplified the effect becomes. Any 2 crafting skills is OP. Do I really need to go on?

Sure, you can dump perks in waste buckets like speech or lockpicking for all of your characters--this is a proper roleplaying solution, right? You can exercise speech and take every perk (to avoid getting overpowered), but roleplay that your character is an inarticulate clod who's bad with money. Or you can wait and get beat on for the first 30 seconds of every fight without doing anything, and roleplay that you're in the middle of deadly combat in a game with a balanced skill/perk tree.

Sorry if I'm harsh, but the concept (and frequent accusations) of power-gaming in Skyrim is just ridiculous. Skyrim comes pre-installed with a cheat mod called the perk system, and it's more difficult to gimp a character than to develop an overpowered one.

So you're not an action gamer, but the key to having fun is action gaming? Gotcha. :prod:

I said the key to fun combat. Last I checked combat tends to happen occasionally in Skyrim.

I'd actually love it if there was an option for a pacifist/speech build, and I plan on giving an extreme stealth character a try (no weapons perks, as little weapons/spell use as possible).

I've tried that before. Challenging, to say the least. I swear it seems there's more people out to get you if you don't kill anything lol. People in Skyrim are just [censored]s I guess. :shakehead:

I tried many times, it's just impossible to roleplay in this game or even Oblivion. The texts are just weak and the NPCs are so annoying comparred to the quality writing in Fallout New Vegas. I had problem RP a chaotic good guy in that game but in Oblivion and Skyrim, I just play for the good fights and the glitch exploits. The story isn't as immersive and Main Quests could be done way better. Also, I hate the fact how I can't be an atheist in the Elder Scrolls series. There's always deities popping out of nowhere.

That's when you use your Teddy Bender hand and send those [censored]s to the void. Azura? Who the f-... Thwack, back to the stars with your hippie self.

I swear people are forgetting who their character is.....you are DOVAHKIN you are supposed to become super powerful. You are not a common person. you've been chosen by the gods. If you want to RolePlay where you dont become super powerful try the game called "Real Life" I hear its quite difficult and realistic

I can't roleplay a mage without my fuc.king open lock spells.

Well maybe if you had an imagination. But this usually knocks it out of ya --> :banghead:
But ANYWAY, typical action gamer perspective. Not trying to sound superior or anything, just that's what a lot of people think, when all it takes is a little imagination. And taking it SLOWER. You don't know you're a Dohvakiin until you've advanced in the main quest a little, which means up until that point you're whoever the [censored] you want to be.

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I would agree. Lets see:
Alchemy - broke. Insta use 100+ potions in 1 second. Even while you are swinging a sword!
Enchant - broke - I can cast spells at 0 zero cost. I can get resist magic 85% or fire 85%. I can max damage bonus from a weapon to 160% ( that is equal to *8* + damage perks) . The number of superperks you can get out of this skill is just too much. Who cares about Alteration perk Atronarch when I can craft some robes that Resists Magic 85% and makes my spells cost 0! Or why worry about Ward spells when I can get 85% Magic Resistance. It just trivalizesd too much of the game.
Magic Stones: Lord Stone - broke (gah 50% DR + 25 magic resistance) Steed stone gives a top tier perk. Unlock any lock? broke
Conjuration: Summon Atronarchs to grind a tough boss down. Combine with Enchantment to allow you to summon an unlimited army of summons to swarm anyting.
Illusion: broke. Frenzy/Invisibility. Then cast Calm on the boss.
Stealth: broke - mega damage bonus. Stupid AI.
Jump on a rock and shot an arrow: broke. Lol, too funny but it works.

Funny thing is Destruction is not broke! Just a little gimped. Ha. But that will be fixed on the PC. I can not wait to see all of the spell mods! Of course I feel bad for the console guys on this one. To think I *almost* bought this game for my 360.

Really, they cut SOOO much content out of the game I was expecting it to be more "tight" in the exploit category. Instead we get the worst of both worlds. Limited options and some options are basically easy mode.

But if we do what you say then all of our characters would end up being the same and it would totally take away the fun (and point) of builing a character.

So you think Bethesda went out of their way to make a classless character progression system to optimize the building of characters in the three standard rpg classes.....hmm....nope.

Your argument is swiss cheese, brudda! Enchanting + blacksmithing + shield skills can yield a Dragon Age-esque "Templar" type magekilling knight.
Just one example. Millions more, if you are creative. Based on your original statement perhaps this is a skill you could level up outside of the game...

Jeez, you're supposed to argue the point, not give the kid nightmares. :nono:

I'm really looking forward to the stealth attempt, almost to the point of dropping my current character.

Sorry if I came on too strong in my first post. Sometime back, in either Morrowind or Oblivion, I realized that combat is a large and (mostly) unavoidable part of any TES game. After that I started to get intense about it. Since you have to do it a lot, it should be fun, right? It's either that or turn the slider all the way down and just grumble your way through the "interruptions". Anyway, the result, for me, was to turn the combat aspects of the game into a min/max challenge, but not min/max for power, min/max for fun or drama. So I try to tweak character skills to keep a certain level of challenge and interest throughout the game. At high levels I often made "bad" choices in Oblivion, like wearing armor or using weapons I wasn't skilled in, to try to keep the combat interesting as I waded through the Daedric hordes. Skyrim has made this approach a bit more difficult, and I feel like I have to work harder to keep the fights entertaining. (But there are builds I haven't tried yet.)

Like many things in life...

Skyrim is whatever you make of it.

Same problem with levitation and spellmaking. They break the game if they were abused. Yet they were FUN! Nope they are gone because they are too OP and break the game. But we get enchanting / blacksmithing / alchemy....... that are all blatantly overpowered.

This cracked me up. But you could always emulate the Dwemer. And honestly, anybody can disbelieve in something that doesn't exist. It takes a real Mer to refute something that does.

No. You should get enchanting because at the higher levels you'll run out of mana - with enchanting you can reduce the mana cost of spells to almost nothing. Unless you mastered alchemy, but then you'll be drinking one potion after the other.

you are still Dohvakiin before you know it.

Much more clear. I misinterpreted your other comment by a long shot. I get what your saying.
And @ Vandee, but what does that have to do with anything if you know nothing of your Dovahkiin bloodline? You can't use the power the Dovahkiin possesses until you know there IS a power to possess. Before you find all this, your just some bastard child of some dragon-man who tore their deer-skin condem.