Sacraficing lore for gameplay?

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:53 am

If I understand everything correctly, this makes me a sad panda.

It has been observed, and I won't mention where I found this info, that three bandits can kill a dragon easily early in game.
Dragons are supposed to by ridiculously mighty in lore.
Racial differentiation is almost null with the new system.
Redguards are almost on par with Altmer in magic for example.
Every race has the same speed; Orc and Redguard alike.

Please let me know if I got something wrong. One of the things that really attracted me to TES is it's rich in game history.
I'd hate to see it undermined. :(
I'm not an expert in lore, so, please, let me know if I got something wrong.
Are there any other examples of things that are referenced in lore that might be sacrificed for gameplay?
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Suzy Santana
 
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:57 pm

It's a game first and foremost. It wouldn't even exist otherwise. So the priority goes there.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:12 am

im pretty sure 3 bandits cant kill a dragon, because of the new leveling system in place, but im usually wrong so don't quote me
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:40 am

Some people want to be a high elf but use 2 handed swords and in oblivion they were somewhat punished for that because of racial stats. Fun > lore to please the masses.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:50 pm

im pretty sure 3 bandits cant kill a dragon, because of the new leveling system in place, but im usually wrong so don't quote me
Let us just say, I know for a fact they can. :(
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:57 am

Source please
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:46 pm

A good balance should be struck up.

For instance, if cold blooded Lizards would be able to survive in a cold environment like Skyrim should be ignored if it means removing Argonians. Having Argonians or gameplay features is much much more important than obeying lore.

Like I said, balances need to be struck up.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:28 am

Let us just say, I know for a fact they can. :(

Maybe the dragon was already mortally injured, and the bandits just finished him off.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:43 pm

Let us just say, I know for a fact they can. :(
Seriously? That's ridiculous...
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:35 am

Let us just say, I know for a fact they can. :(
well i figured with the new scaling the lowest level a dragon can be is like level 15 or something, and bandits are usually level 3, but if you know for a fact i'll keep doubts to myself till i see it on my shelf
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:24 am

I understand everyone's concern regarding a source. But I cannot give one. :facepalm:

The dragon just arrived on scene when the bandits were in battle. PC did nothing. Notice I am not giving the source of my story in accordance with sticky.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:48 pm

A good balance should be struck up.

For instance, if cold blooded Lizards would be able to survive in a cold environment like Skyrim should be ignored if it means removing Argonians. Having Argonians or gameplay features is much much more important than obeying lore.

Like I said, balances need to be struck up.

I agree that there needs to be a balance (although I am not to keen on Skyrim's balance), but for the record, Argonians are warm blooded, so they should be able to survive in Skyrim's climate.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:26 am

Perhaps the bandits used toggle god mode..

Still, will you be able to absorb souls from dragons not killed by you?

If 3 bandits really can kill a dragon, dovahkiins pretty redundant eh :D "RECRUITING BANDITS TO SAVE THE WORLD"
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:12 am

I understand everyone's concern regarding a source. But I cannot give one. :facepalm:

The dragon just arrived on scene when the bandits were in battle. PC did nothing. Notice I am not giving the source of my story in accordance with sticky.

No, this can't be. They told us they fixed the leveling system.

Maybe... maybe the person who uploaded the video you watched used cheat codes, to make the bandits higher level and the dragon lower level. Yeah the game has cheat codes right?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:52 am

He got the soul. :wacko:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:37 am

Probably a glitch in the early build where the dragon was effing up or something was not working properly.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:32 am

No, this can't be. They told us they fixed the leveling system.

Maybe... maybe the person who uploaded the video you watched used cheat codes, to make the bandits higher level and the dragon lower level. Yeah the game has cheat codes right?
Nope no cheat codes on TES as far as i remember , there are console commands for PC but on consoles nope , pretty weird to see bandits killing a dragon :sadvaultboy:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:40 pm

I agree that there needs to be a balance (although I am not to keen on Skyrim's balance), but for the record, Argonians are warm blooded, so they should be able to survive in Skyrim's climate.
Really? I didn't know that.

May I have a link or source, mah brutha?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:45 pm

If I understand everything correctly, this makes me a sad panda.

It has been observed, and I won't mention where I found this info, that three bandits can kill a dragon easily early in game.
Dragons are supposed to by ridiculously mighty in lore.
Racial differentiation is almost null with the new system.
Redguards are almost on par with Altmer in magic for example.
Every race has the same speed; Orc and Redguard alike.

Please let me know if I got something wrong. One of the things that really attracted me to TES is it's rich in game history.
I'd hate to see it undermined. :(
I'm not an expert in lore, so, please, let me know if I got something wrong.
Are there any other examples of things that are referenced in lore that might be sacrificed for gameplay?
Read the books if the lore is not important to you. :shrug:

I dont want to play a broken game so that the lore can be maintained.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:26 am

It's a game first and foremost. It wouldn't even exist otherwise. So the priority goes there.
You're misinterpreting the question.

It's really unfortunate that they've pretty much whittled down race selection to cosmetics rather than actual gameplay differences. That said, I think this will be a good game, but not a very good TES game.

Edit: I don't see why people are acting like accurate lore, etc. and Skyrim being a good game are mutually exclusive. They're not. In fact, there are 4 examples of this.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:27 am

Baseless concerns. The lowest Caste of Dragon being killed in 3 to 1 odds seems suitable to me. Probably 4 to 1 if you count the player drawing fire.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:41 am

If I'm not mistaken, it's the very first one you can fight. I think the point was to show the dragon dying and what a dragonborn gets from it. I've also seen a dragon pwn the crap out the user.
Let us just say, I know for a fact they can. :(

On topic. I assume that the running speeds were all set the same to prevent people from running 800kph or jumping like 40 feet in the air. Also, something as tiny as "well this bosmer has +10 more magic than this argonian" has extremely limited impact on gameplay. Giving the player options without being punished for their choice seems wiser when dealing with the masses.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:36 am

Didn't we hear that there were weak dragons (brown or green or something) ranging all the way up to the beastly strong ones (black I think)? It doesn't seem THAT odd to me that dragons of the weak, low-level colors could be taken out by a focused assault by three opponents. Why is that such a concern?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:54 am

Let us just say, I know for a fact they can. :(
You do know theres different levels/type of dragon ot could of bin a low level one... I reali dont think dragons are going to be easy to defeat. Every article ive read so far has said dragons a tough to kill.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:32 am

Didn't we hear that there were weak dragons (brown or green or something) ranging all the way up to the beastly strong ones (black I think)? It doesn't seem THAT odd to me that dragons of the weak, low-level colors could be taken out by a focused assault by three opponents. Why is that such a concern?
That's true. We know nothing of the species. I mean, they can retcon most of this stuff and it'll be fine. I can see why gameplay should be the focus. It's not going to ruin the game for me at all. Just something to be aware of.
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