I agree with the OP. This is a sad day. No more Elder Scroll single player games until the Online version goes F2P.

Final Fantasy XIII wasn't successful? Force Unleashed wasn't successful?

Where exactly are you getting your facts?

And why exactly are you changing your angle in the middle of your own angle?

"They weren't successful, but if they were successful I actually mean they weren't good games."

Here here.

Retconning in the name of advancing the story is one thing. To retcon so much lore for the sake of forcing a bland MMO cash grab is unacceptable.

The amount of fail in this post is unbelievable. Zenimax is making it. not BGS. Single player games will keep coming.

"And they were all oh so successful, keeping in the spirit of the previous releases"
I've been told that reading comprehension is a gift. I prefer to think it's a skill that anyone can aquire with some practice. So start practicing.

People keep saying that it will ruin the lore, now I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to the lore, but would someone explain this to me? Not one thing I have seen has been outside of the timeline of the lore.

I facepalmed a record amount of tmes after reading the OP.

Again, Star Wars Galaxies was not successful? Force Unleashed was not successful? Both in sales and quality?

You can't say something wasn't successful based on your own personal taste.... in regards to sales there have been successful single player games after an MMO even if you don't personally like them. Even though I'm just amusing you as it really has no comparison to Zenimax Online/ Bethesda Game Studios and the games they make because this is a completely different company that has no history in the same regard as other companies that have made MMO's.

Less than a 7/10 rating from the press is hardly successful. And yes, that's the average rating, google it. I played it, it was hardly a decent entry in the series. But hey, that's just personal opinion, which is why I gave you one by the professionals themselves.

Happy day for me! It will be awesome, imo. I'm sure Bethesda will continue making console TES games for soloers, though.

Let's begin with Towers. Do you know what Towers are? They're the Merrish constructs whose purpose appears to be to prevent Daedra like Molag Bal from doing exactly what he is said to be doing in this game. All the Towers are active as of the Second Era, so for Molag Bal to be trying to devour Tamriel there would have to be a pretty convoluted/stupid explanation. Or a retcon. Gods forbid.

Then there's the fact that the Nords, Argonians and Dunmer will be on the same team. These three races hate each other. They have always hated each other. They hate each other so much that it is difficult to imagine such an alliance even in the face of a hostile Empire. The Nords and Dunmer might put aside their differences, but not the Argonians.

Meanwhile, the Orcs have allied with the Redguards and Bretons. It's the same thing here. Everybody hates the Orcs. At this time, they're still considered barely more than beasts. Redguards and Bretons siding with the Orcs would be like them siding with a particularly stupid breed of giant rat.

It's not about the timeline. The window in which the game will be taking place is relatively empty. The problem arises from Zenimax's disregard for the details of established lore and characterization.

Right, I forgot every game has to be a 9.5 out of 10 or above to be considered "successful."

Woo another MMO I don't give a rats ass about.

I dont think this is an Elder Scrolls game (shh). Its just an MMO based off The Elder Scrolls.
Like, if someone wanted to make a game an they loved TES, they'd make this.

At best I will regard this game as loosely based on the Elder Scrolls.

To truly call it an Elder Scrolls game would be a harsh insult to bethesda.

Exactly. And thus why its not in the TES section of the forums phew

I remember reading that! TESVI will be single player RPG, I assure you.

Now, I'm skeptical about TESO because this is Zenimax's first game, we'll see what we can get out of the teaser tomorrow.

All these logical fallacies...

explain yourself, soldier.
All these big words are making my brain hurt.

Huh? He gave you examples proving that such was not the case. FFXI, or Final Fantasy 11, was an MMORPG. FFXII and FFXIII(or Final Fantasy 12 and 13 respectively) were both stand alone, single player games, and both were highly successful and great games over-all.


Edit: Btw, for the first part: Metacritic gave FFXII a 92 rating, and FXIII a 83 rating. That's successful both in my book, and by the "professionals" that you touted for the Star wars examples.


Personally, I'm desperately hoping this doesn't affect future Single-player TES games. I won't touch this MMO with a 10-foot pole, I have absolutely zero optimism regarding the game and it's quality, you just can't capture the magic of TES games in an MMO. I don't want to explore Tamriel with other people, I want to explore it by myself. I want to experience the rich history that's inside the game, an MMO isn't going to have much of that, and what it does, all of us whom won't play the MMO won't know what little the MMO does introduce into the lore. I think this is a lousy idea, but I'm sure many of the casual crowd that Oblivion drew in are probably much excited over this.

TES Online != "real" TES game

Therefore TES Online is not put in TES forum

The fallacy is that you're leaving out that this is supposed to be a "temporary" forum, meaning it could very well be put into the "TES" forum in the near future but was left separate to garner attention.

while the concept of an Elder scrolls MMO appeals to me if done right, I just don't think I'll be picking this up. I played world of warcraft for a year back during burning crusdae expansion, and while it was addictive and kept my attention for a good while I've since burnt out on the genre. I just have a really hard time getting into MMO's now days. At least with skyrim I can spread my 500 hours of gameplay out over a few months....if i get svcked into TES online it'll be just how I used to be, day and night....and i just can't do that now that i'm married and have kids and have a full time job. I hope the game is awesome and does really well, but it makes me a little sad to know right now that I'm going to be missing out on one of the entries into my most beloved series.

I do know that it is temporary, but was merely making jest of that fact. It is a TES game ofcourse, so it will obviously be put into the offical forum.