Safest place to live now and in the future?

Post » Tue May 15, 2012 5:12 pm

I don't know, after all the Argentinian dictatorship started a war precisely to try to uphold their unpopular regime (if you start a war you can divert attention away from the problems at home). One day North Korea could try this, shortsighted as it may sound :shrug:

edit: more on topic, I guess that means I don't consider South Korea the safest place to live in the world.

(edit2: that post was not meant to be political, I hope I didn't cross any line)
Argentina is still trying to start wars... It will only end badly for them.
If you were on the street, gun shots get fire and kills some people, you'd know right away by the bang to find cover and get to safety.
If you were on the same street, someone stabs several people you wouldn't have a clue and this would allow the murderer to target you because his approach is more stealthy. If the people screamed, you'd likely rush to help - running into the murderers arms.
I'd rather take my chances with people carrying guns. :shrug:
So you would rather have a guy able to take you down from long range quickly, than someone who has to run after you.
Stabbing isnt a quick way to die (depending where you get stabbed) and I bet atleast one person would see the guy with the knife.

Also guns =/= loud.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:01 pm

Beating someone to death is much harder than just shooting him. The point in gun control is not to outlaw violence forever, but to make harming people (more) difficult.
Guns only do harm in the hands of those who use them to do harm though. I've heard of plenty of shootings in broad daylight and increases in gang activity in Sweden lately, and the gun restrictions don't affect the criminals and gangs too much since they just smuggle in their arms along with the drugs and the other good stuff. The difference it makes in the end is that it disarms the law abiding citizens. I can sincerely say that if I was a criminal I'd prefer to be it in a Scandinavian country, or something similar. Very little resistance from civilians, "humane" punishment etc.

I think Iceland is a NATO member, which means if they were to be invaded all the other NATO countries would come to their help. Sounds safe enough to me. :tongue:
Which just means they have someone else doing the defending for them.

Indeed, and it doesn't have any army of its own so it poses no threat to other countries really. No one is going to think "oh darn, Iceland has a growing army and a political agenda? Better invade and stop them before it's too late" or "Iceland is making nuclear weaponry? We should invade them to make sure they won't have any." Really I think a lot of violence could be skipped if people didn't make themselves a threat in the first place.

And in case of some nutcase invading for profits there is NATO, granted I'm not even really that fond of NATO itself. Not everyone shares my sentiments though of course.
I doubt that Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Poland etc were invaded during WW2 because of their mighty armies and imperialistic ways. Just to name a few examples. If you don't have the means to defend yourself you put yourself at the mercy of those willing to use force to get what they want. The countries with populaces willing to get rid of their forces due to peaceful mentalities are not the ones one should worry about anyways. I'm not convinced the world would be a better and more peaceful place if the allies had gone pacifistic when Nazi Germany started reving up their war machine, to be honest.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:38 am

Argentina is still trying to start wars... It will only end badly for them.

So you would rather have a guy able to take you down from long range quickly, than someone who has to run after you.
Stabbing isnt a quick way to die (depending where you get stabbed) and I bet atleast one person would see the guy with the knife.

Also guns =/= loud.
Yet the people of that island made their choice and weren't forced into but still the want to "re-take" the island because oil was found on/at it.

I'd rather not get touched by either to be honest, but since stabbing are more likely here and the possession of one is illegal it's hard to tell who might be carrying on and if/when they wil snap. Same goes for a gun but it's not something everyone has access to.

Gun = louder than a knife, though
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:36 pm

Sooo... everyone?

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Mostly just the men. Mostly :unsure:
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:14 am

Argentina is still trying to start wars... It will only end badly for them.
I won't talk about it in depth because that would definitely go against the no political discussion allowed rule, but I agree. It just seems so pointless...
Which just means they have someone else doing the defending for them.
So? :shrug: My point still stands, Iceland can't be invaded by just anyone as some people were implying in this thread. Thanks to NATO it does have a fairly strong military protection and is safe in that regard. That's the only point I was trying to make.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 8:17 am

I'd rather not get touched by either to be honest, but since stabbing are more likely here and the possession of one is illegal it's hard to tell who might be carrying on and if/when they wil snap. Same goes for a gun but it's not something everyone has access to.
I thought that knives counted as a concealed weapon which was illegal? And besides if guns are illegal (like in Australia) then you can be sure anyone carrying one around in the street is probably a criminal. I am against guns on principle though.
Gun = louder than a knife, though
Silencers. With a quick shot to the face they are almost silent and certainly a lot more quiet than the struggle required to stab someone to death
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:30 pm

Islands have high elevations too? Why would they be affected anymore than coasts? Island=mountain in the water...unless it was a continental island in which case it may or may not be highly mountainous. None of them would be underwater...

Depends on the island. Some islands are barely above sea level right now. If sea levels rise and only 1/2 of the island is still above water there's going to be a lot of fighting over that smaller space. Plus, if there's a global catastrophe the island won't be able to get any imports. And I already said no coasts for me :hehe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorah,_Iowa I've been there - is the epitome of a small, friendly Midwest town. If I were to hide from the big, bad world that's where I'd go.

The Midwest is pretty safe, barring tornados, but the Yellowstone mega volcano is due for a cataclysmic eruption any day now. . .

This is true. The only thing [The East Coast] ever gets hit by is that occasional hurricane that survives all the way up to NC. And by then they are pretty weak anyway and you're only really affected if you're on the coast.

Just you wait until the Canary Island mega-tsunami. Everything on the East Coast will be washed away.

(Except me)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 7:19 am

So? :shrug: My point still stands, Iceland can't be invaded by just anyone as some people were implying in this thread. Thanks to NATO it does have a fairly strong military protection and is safe in that regard. That's the only point I was trying to make.
Fair enough. Just pointing out that they are kept safe at the expense of others.

I thought that knives counted as a concealed weapon which was illegal? And besides if guns are illegal (like in Australia) then you can be sure anyone carrying one around in the street is probably a criminal. I am against guns on principle though.

Silencers. With a quick shot to the face they are almost silent and certainly a lot more quiet than the struggle required to stab someone to death
Still louder than a knife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjRpe_o_NI&t=1m21s And not sure about the alleged struggle either, probably goes faster than you'd think. A sudden stab in the stomach and you might be done for. And it being illegal to carry knives may not do that much, since it may not be found out until after it has been used already. How many pat-downs have you experienced and how many metal detectors have you gone through lately?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:19 am

Still louder than a knife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjRpe_o_NI&t=1m21s And not sure about the alleged struggle either, probably goes faster than you'd think. A sudden stab in the stomach and you might be done for. And it being illegal to carry knives may not do that much, since it may not be found out until after it has been used already. How many pat-downs have you experienced and how many metal detectors have you gone through lately?
If you get stabbed in the stomach you'd still be able to scream and you could kill someone without a struggle, but there are a lot more variables than simply pulling a trigger. And a small caliber pistol is just as easy to conceal as a knife and more lethal.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:33 pm

Pretty much this.
Sure Australia has dangerous animals, but as long as you're not an idiot around them, they don't kill you. And the North of New Zealand's only real risk is tsunami's, and the area around Hamilton is pretty safe from natural disasters - although if you're looking for fun, I wouldn't go there.

Some parts of America look safe, but there's the risk of invasion and all. No one wants Australia and New Zealand.
I'm sure there's plenty of countries out there who wouldn't mind getting control of Australia's plentiful natural resources. You're probably right about New Zealand though :wink:
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 7:53 am

I'm sure there's plenty of countries out there who wouldn't mind getting control of Australia's plentiful natural resources.
That's where tactical cowardice comes into play, ally with whoevers army is biggest and closest.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:48 pm

The Midwest is pretty safe, barring tornados, but the Yellowstone mega volcano is due for a cataclysmic eruption any day now. . .

Well, the whole world is more or less screwed when that happens.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:30 am

If you get stabbed in the stomach you'd still be able to scream and you could kill someone without a struggle, but there are a lot more variables than simply pulling a trigger. And a small caliber pistol is just as easy to conceal as a knife and more lethal.
Screaming for help is easier said than done since you'd probably be too scared to think properly, and getting stabbed might put you in shock too, for that matter. And getting stabbed can be just as lethal. If you get stabbed in the liver or similar then I don't think there's much you can do. Difference is that it'll take longer before you bleed to death. And as I said, even with gun bans you'll still have criminals with guns(example being Sweden lately, as said). Difference being that the honest citizens won't have the option of having a fair chance. For instance, do tell me if you think this security guard was better off thanks to the lack of arms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbNQk5vUOmY To be quiet honest though, I'm only here to offer another point of view. I don't care at all what everyone does in their respective countries, as long as it doesn't affect me.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:31 am

I thought that knives counted as a concealed weapon which was illegal? And besides if guns are illegal (like in Australia) then you can be sure anyone carrying one around in the street is probably a criminal. I am against guns on principle though.

Silencers. With a quick shot to the face they are almost silent and certainly a lot more quiet than the struggle required to stab someone to death
It is illegal, doesn't stop people from carrying them though, even if it is in plain sight it's still an offence and carries some pathetic jail time as 'punishment'.
Yeah no doubt, they are most likely a 'professional' criminal but someone in possession of a weapon is far far harder to come by than someone carrying a knife/sharp weapon.

If someone happens to walking around with silenced weapons and gives you a clean shot to the face then you were most likely the target of an assassination so there's nothing you could do about that.
If I was to kill you with a knife silently I could approach from behind and slit servere your jugular so that you could yell/scream for help and the only noise would be you hitting the ground but I could lay you down so the noise would happen at all - unlike being shot were you'd fall and likely make a noise hitting the ground.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 6:51 am

Screaming for help is easier said than done since you'd probably be too scared to think properly, and getting stabbed might put you in shock too, for that matter. And getting stabbed can be just as lethal. If you get stabbed in the liver or similar then I don't think there's much you can do. Difference is that it'll take longer before you bleed to death. And as I said, even with gun bans you'll still have criminals with guns(example being Sweden lately, as said). Difference being that the honest citizens won't have the option of having a fair chance. For instance, do tell me if you think this security guard was better off thanks to the lack of arms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbNQk5vUOmY To be quiet honest though, I'm only here to offer another point of view. I don't care at all what everyone does in their respective countries, as long as it doesn't affect me.
I think that two people having guns in a hostile situation such as a robbery might result in more deaths than one person with a gun robbing someone else. Security guards should have guns as they are both protectors and targets, but then again you have crazies who kill anyway regardless n whether people are armed.
I don't really think there is a way of keeping murders at 0% but I do think that less guns do cut down on violence :shrug:

If I was to kill you with a knife silently I could approach from behind and slit servere your jugular so that you could yell/scream for help and the only noise would be you hitting the ground but I could lay you down so the noise would happen at all - unlike being shot were you'd fall and likely make a noise hitting the ground.
I don't really think the noise of a thud is really that incriminating, and to get a stab (no pun intended) at someone with a knife in the circumstances mentioned would require as much premeditation as a silenced shot albeit a lot harder to pull off.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 8:17 am

I wouldn't, rampant disease, no electricity, no antivenin, no way to easily get food and a lower life expectancy? No thanks. The concept of living wild being better than civilization has been romanticized and is not at all like a nonstop camping trip.

And there aren't any Indians in the Amazonian jungle.
The city of Manaus provides anti-venin and medicine. I do realize it's a hassle to be living in a damn jungle. But hey, at least there is a capital many miles away.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Brazil

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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 5:21 pm

The city of Manaus provides anti-venin and medicine. I do realize it's a hassle to be living in a damn jungle. But hey, at least there is a capital many miles away.
Well, I certainly wouldn't take that risk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Brazil

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Well, I certainly wouldn't take that risk.

Very good, you have earned the Politically Correct perk :tongue:
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I realize you all must of mistaken "indians" for the people who live in India, rather than the natives. I should of been more specific.
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Nevermind, I read that incorrrectly
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Very good, you have earned the Politically Correct perk :tongue:

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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 7:33 am

I think that two people having guns in a hostile situation such as a robbery might result in more deaths than one person with a gun robbing someone else. Security guards should have guns as they are both protectors and targets, but then again you have crazies who kill anyway regardless n whether people are armed.
I don't really think there is a way of keeping murders at 0% but I do think that less guns do cut down on violence :shrug:
I'm not convinced that a lack of guns help. Or it does help criminals, who prefer unarmed target due to the fear of getting shot. Examples from articles concerning prison surveys:
"On the streets, many of the St. Louis robbers "routinely targeted law-abiding citizens," who, unlike their counterparts in most American states, were certain not to be carrying a gun for protection. Law-abiding citizens were chosen as robbery victims because, as one robber noted, "You don't want to pick somebody dangerous; they might have a gun themselves."
(was going to quote more but I figure it's redundant)

Also helped in situations like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQyt0CshI84 . And a link related to what I was saying earlier about Sweden: http://www.thelocal.se/33984/20110525/
But in the end it's a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. Every single sane advlt could carry an assault rifle without there being any violence, since it's use boils down to personal values. But as seen in the article, bans stop the people following the law from getting guns, but not necessarily the criminals. And as said, only food for thought.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 7:18 am

I'm not convinced that a lack of guns help. Or it does help criminals, who prefer unarmed target due to the fear of getting shot.

This is why everyone should be armed all the time. As a matter of fact - we should all graft guns into our arms.

Imagine how safe we'd all be.
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I'm not convinced that a lack of guns help. Or it does help criminals, who prefer unarmed target due to the fear of getting shot. Examples from articles concerning prison surveys:
"On the streets, many of the St. Louis robbers "routinely targeted law-abiding citizens," who, unlike their counterparts in most American states, were certain not to be carrying a gun for protection. Law-abiding citizens were chosen as robbery victims because, as one robber noted, "You don't want to pick somebody dangerous; they might have a gun themselves."
(was going to quote more but I figure it's redundant)
Personally I'd rather get robbed than get into a firefight
Also helped in situations like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQyt0CshI84 . And a link related to what I was saying earlier about Sweden: http://www.thelocal.se/33984/20110525/
But in the end it's a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. Every single sane advlt could carry an assault rifle without there being any violence, since it's use boils down to personal values. But as seen in the article, bans stop the people following the law from getting guns, but not necessarily the criminals. And as said, only food for thought.
Giving everyone guns increases chances of accidents, people getting caught in the crossfire, crimes of passion, vigilantes and the police becoming less relevant which is imo a bad thing. It all depends on how effective the police in a country are, personally I'd rather trust trained police/security guards with guns than myself.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:51 am

Personally I'd rather get robbed than get into a firefight
Not saying that every robbery should end with a firefight, but having the option to defend yourself could help. If the odds are against you then you can just step down and do as the robber says. If it's a thug with a knife then you can pull your gun on him and end it peacefully.
Giving everyone guns increases chances of accidents, people getting caught in the crossfire, crimes of passion, vigilantes and the police becoming less relevant which is imo a bad thing. It all depends on how effective the police in a country are, personally I'd rather trust trained police/security guards with guns than myself.
Depends on the laws concerning ownership too. Requiring people to know how to handle a gun properly before giving them a license would help keep the mishaps down, just like with cars. And the police can't be everywhere at once, nor can they do everything. A woman with a gun can take care of would-be criminals before they [censored] her, for instance, while the police won't deal with them until after the deed.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:50 pm

The city of Manaus provides anti-venin and medicine. I do realize it's a hassle to be living in a damn jungle. But hey, at least there is a capital many miles away.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Brazil

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"Indian" isn't a synonym for "indigenous people", and you should feel silly for using it in such a way.
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