Save the Interwebz : Othor Games

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:13 pm

do you ever think that cats might have their own internet with loads of pictures of us on it

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:07 am

I think the Internet was doomed from day 1. It could arguablly be the worst invention ever, while at the same time be the most important.

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:48 am

Redacted.

» Sat May 12, 2012 6:10 pm

Is it wrong to hope that Steam & Origin would also be affected as well?

» Sun May 13, 2012 3:33 am

Is it wrong to hope that Steam & Origin would also be affected as well?

You're entitled to think whatever but if they were that would affect millions of gamers too and probably do alot of damage to the industry, imo that's pretty selfish... Why would they be affected though? If anything they stand to gain from this.

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:53 am

Is it wrong to hope that Steam & Origin would also be affected as well?

You're hoping that tons of people who payed good money for games will get screwed out of being able to play them?

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty wrong.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:14 am

You're hoping that tons of people who payed good money for games will get screwed out of being able to play them?

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty wrong.

Thats what you get for investing so much in steam. Seriously, no idea why so many people would use such a horribl system. The more you spend the more they can take from you. People should just buy physical copies. Alo steam is a monopoly, so I hate that too. I dont know how much devs benefit from games sles on there, if its not much, I dont agre with vlve getting most money for other devs work.

» Sat May 12, 2012 5:24 pm

Check this out, it will open your eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&feature=youtu.be

My eyes we're already opened. But this just made them wide eyed and pissed. What the hell Disney?

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:31 am

Thats what you get for investing so much in steam. Seriously, no idea why so many people would use such a horribl system. The more you spend the more they can take from you. People should just buy physical copies. Alo steam is a monopoly, so I hate that too. I dont know how much devs benefit from games sles on there, if its not much, I dont agre with vlve getting most money for other devs work.

Steam isn't a monopoly. It's a distribution service, same as any retail store or other download services like Direct2Drive, GoG, etc.

You might as well blame Wal-Mart for profiting on games.

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:50 pm

I wouldnt trust your government at all.

I don't, and I never will. They are evil incarnate.

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:07 am

You're entitled to think whatever but if they were that would affect millions of gamers too and probably do alot of damage to the industry, imo that's pretty selfish... Why would they be affected though? If anything they stand to gain from this.

You're hoping that tons of people who payed good money for games will get screwed out of being able to play them?

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty wrong.

Actually I'm not hoping that users get shafted (I think I've heard that Gabe was supposed to have the means to unlock the games from Steam)
If more publishers offered a choice it wouldn't be so "All or nothing" as it is for now

Steam isn't a monopoly. It's a distribution service, same as any retail store or other download services like Direct2Drive, GoG, etc.

You might as well blame Wal-Mart for profiting on games.

I don't see that as being a good parallel, How many games are only available from Wal-mart (granted a store chain may get a unique version of a game)

But with Steam a game may or may not be only available from Steam even if the user uses another online service or gets the disc version

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:54 pm

Totalbiscuit (from the second video in the OP) made a post about that video from the other guy (the first link in the OP) and why it's not exactly helpful, apparently. He makes a fair point.

Spoilered because it's somewhat long.

Spoiler

Because people keep sending me this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc I feel the need to tell people why I don't think it's a particularly good speech on the matter. Now the guy in question has done his research and brings up valid points. Yes, without question, there is hypocrisy in the industry when it comes to piracy, however this is not news nor is it the ace in the hole we've been looking for to bring these companies to their knees. Big corporations are hypocritical you say? Surely not! Hypocrisy isn't a "gotcha" for them, it's a state of being, it is the very air they breath. While acting rather smugly, the maker of the video has completely missed what's really important, informing people WHY this bill is bad. Catching companies out is not the way to stop this bill, education for the masses is. Yes, we get it, these companies profited from piracy. This is not a revelation, this has been known for a long time. This isn't going to convince a politician any more than convincing a pig that rolls in muck everyday that this particular brand of muck is disgusting. This kind of shady nonsense happens ALL THE TIME in American politics (it's not exclusive to America but America does have the largest lobbyist culture and the most money in it's politics of any country in the world). What matters is not what these companies have done in the past but what they will do if this bill passes. The consequences of this bill are dire. This is not about playing "spot the conspiracy", it's about the future of the internet and freedom of information. Regardless of the rather obnoxious nature in which this fellow expresses his opinion, which may very well put off many and makes the cause look far more wingnut than it needs to be, the real point is that it muddles the message. The message should be loud and clear, SOPA is bad because of A B and C. D E and F will happen if SOPA passes which prevents G H and I. It does not need to be any more complicated than that and the more complex the issue gets, the less people will actually care about it.

Stay on message, focus on what this bill actually does, not what the companies supporting it have done. These companies are incapable of embarrassment and discrediting them by saying "oh, but they did naughty things too!" is not a strong argument. SOPA is bad because it has the potential to cripple future innovation, strangle existing channels of freedom of expression, severely damage the competitive marketplace and gives sweeping powers to people who absolutely cannot be trusted with them, to censor and destroy for the benefit of their shareholders.

As many smart people have said. K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid.

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:59 pm

Ironic how TB doesn't say why SOPA is bad.

» Sat May 12, 2012 7:44 pm

Thats what you get for investing so much in steam. Seriously, no idea why so many people would use such a horribl system. The more you spend the more they can take from you. People should just buy physical copies. Alo steam is a monopoly, so I hate that too. I dont know how much devs benefit from games sles on there, if its not much, I dont agre with vlve getting most money for other devs work.

That's kind of hard to do when your physical copies also require steam.

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:01 pm

Ironic how TB doesn't say why SOPA is bad. :tongue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM

» Sat May 12, 2012 6:44 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&feature=g-all-lik&context=G2a1cb4fFAAAAAAAABAA

Uhg, the argument on how the companies profited on the distribution of file sharing software is so flawed it isn't even funny. They weren't the first hosters, they weren't the last hosters, it wasn't all co-branded, they weren't the creators, uploads are automated, etc.

I agree that SOPA is bad, but that is just so incredibly flawed it isn't even funny.

» Sat May 12, 2012 8:51 pm

Commercialism+Megacorparations= Goodbye free speech. Very much doubt the bill would get passed though a lot of people would get mad. Youtube and Google and stuff already are cracking down on people though. It is just depressing. Bleh.

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:20 pm

ok, I just archived this page. I've done my part of saving the interwebs.

Brilliant! I can't see YouTube or Facebook dying though. Nor can I see a mass government conspiracy.

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:22 am

All it is that big media companies feel like a large piece of the internet market is somehow entitled to them like the same way the FCC gives them an exclusive piece of the air-wave market.

Remember it was VIACOM that sued YouTube just as Google was acquiring it.

» Sat May 12, 2012 8:31 pm

Thats what you get for investing so much in steam. Seriously, no idea why so many people would use such a horribl system. The more you spend the more they can take from you. People should just buy physical copies. Alo steam is a monopoly, so I hate that too. I dont know how much devs benefit from games sles on there, if its not much, I dont agre with vlve getting most money for other devs work.

And this has been your example of a hipster.

Lets see:

Valve is a good company and should not be going out of business soon = Check

Downloadable games are easier and cheaper = check

People need money to survive so being cheaper is good = check

All you games in one place = check

I would bet my money that you are one of those high school kids that steal tincture from your friends and can't think for themselves. Pure hipster.

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:59 pm

That was unnecessarily ad hominem.

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:43 pm

That was unnecessarily ad hominem.

That made no sense.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:29 am

And this has been your example of a hipster.

Lets see:

Valve is a good company and should not be going out of business soon = Check

Downloadable games are easier and cheaper = check

People need money to survive so being cheaper is good = check

All you games in one place = check

I would bet my money that you are one of those high school kids that steal tincture from your friends and can't think for themselves. Pure hipster.

Since when was buying games online cheaper? And how are they easier? "I bought my Skyrim from Steam, so now I start as level 50!!"

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:14 am

Since when was buying games online cheaper? And how are they easier? "I bought my Skyrim from Steam, so now I start as level 50!!"

Cheaper = costs less
Easier = click and download

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:58 am

Cheaper = costs less
Easier = click and download

I don't think buying games online costs less....

And I find it much more easy to buy games from a local game store. It's also safer. if you have a virus on your computer or something, you're screwed.

Getting off-topic, anyway.