Nuh-uh

Yeah-huh

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Wait. They already said they didn't want to play this game....

So, is there a point to the thread?

A reset would be very nice, what if you rolled a rogue type class because you were intending on going for a dual wield style of combat and found out that a rogue type class wont cut it solo very far in. Then you rolled a new character as a Templar (because of the ability to pop a heal from time to time to help soloing) and focused on dual wielding but then you get into dungeon crawls and find out you are expected to heal and your heals do almost nothing without a staff equipped and you have no ability in staff . If something like that happened it would be nice to be able to re-spec so you don't need to re-roll again.

Hey, people are making an argument that everone has their own definition of immersion. I am simply asking for them to give their own definition. Where is the personal attack you speak of? Or flame bait?

Ok, no matter what, a respec won't include a class change. If you want to be less squishy and do more damage you change equipment (heavier armor, dps weapons). If you want to heal, you change equipment (resto staff).

I think though, a lot will have to do also with where you put your attributes

"You dont know what immersion is", "She didnt answer, because she doesnt know the answer", "I just wanted to see if you know what your talking about. You obviously do not". All prime examples. Calling someone ignorant, goading them and saying they don't know what they're talking about is entirely counter-productive. Can we not just stick to polite discussion? I know I've probably crossed that line myself sometimes, but it never goes anywhere good.

Yes, be able to respec everything (skills, attributes, morphs, etc.), for a cumulative fee. That'd be my vote.

The argument is pointless because you will just disagree with whatever anyone says anyway and talking about it is in general pointless because everyone has a different definition. I can tel already my version of immersion is COMPLETELY different from yours

Also, you REALLY think it is fair that someone morphs a skill into something good and then a patch makes it garbage and they cannot change it? That seems completely unfair to me, and before you say "just reroll" are you REALLY going to want to reroll a character of the SAME class, SAME playstyle, and SAME choices just to change ONE THING?

Also, it has already been announced as part of the game and there are very few people agreeing with you here so it is unlikely to be removed for a small group of people.

Now, that scenario is actually believable, even in a real world sense(with the exception of 'dark elf') But the idea of instantly forgetting a skill and learning another one instantly.. THAT my friend, is not believable, and therefor breaks immersion

breaks immersion = boring = cancel subscription. So you see, immersion is very important.

Skills are pointless to re-spec as you can get all of them eventually, but i do agree that a cumalitive fee works as long as it is on a rotation of days or something.

Basically, either have it that it goes up by a certain amount every time, but if you do not use it for a while (lets say 3 days) it starts going down in price for every interval back to what the base price is.

OR, have it so the fee goes up to a certain amount and then resets.

your learning an ability in a matter of seconds that you never learned before and are able to do it perfectly, and you can put up with THAT?

EDIT: WOOPS, sorry about that triple post, thought people were in between.

Why I never tried Star Trek Online. People I knew told me it was cumbersome and lacking. They said it svcked.

Word of mouth is the best advertising.

I didn't go see the new superman movie because I heard in the end Superman kills and I didn't like that idea.

Allowing people to respec might keep them in the game. Most people who play this game wont understand the system and will make mistakes along the way. Punishing them for naivete doesn't sound like a good idea to me...

You can't shoot fireballs out of your hands in the real world either, how are you supposed to cope with that?

I'd like to see respeccing for attributes and morphs but not skill points.

Since that's who its planned, I'm happy.

However, I think the cost to respec should be a quest, rather than just gold. At higher levels players will be rich enough that gold won't matter too much. Time however, is always a real cost.

1. STO is not cumbersome at all IMO, though balance is a serious issue.

2. He had a very good reason to kill and if you know anything about the comics he does kill where there is no other choice, and he had no other choice in the movie.

You keep saying everyone has their own definition of immersion, yet no one seems to be able to actually post it. My definition of immersion is the same as the one defined in any dictionary or wiki. I am not asking for your definition to argue about it. I just want to see if you can. My argument is whether or not anyone can give their own definition. You say it exists, but no one seems to be able to prove it.

Someone did post it, you kind of skipped over it.

Regardless, I'll post my definition so you can stop calling me stupid.

It's being completely surrounded by something

Maybe an immersive language class?

Maybe a game?

Maybe a pool?

So... a siren goes off outside, your immersion is broken, the game is boring and you take your ball and go home. Best not buy the game in the first place, then.

Though I'm not convinced you can play the game from inside a pool anyway, so it all seems a non-starter.

Dude. No-one wants skill respeccing. Quit strawmanning, seriously.

Thanks, still haven't seen that one! Meany.

That is called suspension of disbelief. Its is accepted as a reality in a unreal world. While instantly unlearning and learning of skills through the option of respeccing is not believable, either in reality or in the unreal world.

Okay, the only thing i need for an immersive experience is a good story and having the boss battles (and at least SOME of the story dungeons in general) be instanced to the player and his group so it really seems like you actually doing something important.

Except you ARE learning skills instantly anyway, so that entire thing is pointless. I could agree if you were talking about race or class change, but you argument does not work for ANY MMO. I hope you realise there will never be an MMO (and VERY few games in general) that are going to have such an immersive experience to you if you have such fragile immersion. For example, how do you explain Spells in Elder scrolls. you just read the word and you are now the master of that spell with no training at all.

EDIT: and as others are saying, the excuse "it ruins my immersion" is very flimsy anyway as you can easily make an excuse that is completely understandable.

How so? Magic rewrites your memory, boom. Done. Suspension of belief, yo.

There is no skill respeccing. So you can rest easy.

You've been told this multiple times. Why persist?

The only respeccing is morphs and attributes.

For immersions sake, when you respec your attributes, you are changing the extent to which you exercise/practice magicka/how much you eat.

When you respec your morphs, you're making slight variations on a technique for the sake of combat.

Done.

A simple way to preserve your immersion: don't respec, nobody's forcing you.

Ok then, I will create a mage character that speciallizes in re-writing other characters memories. With this power I prevent anyone else in the game world from having this ability. I will be the only one, and I will be a god. Anyone who disagrees with me in the game world I will simply re-write their memory. Through this magic i will put in the minds of all characters that I am an immortal god and that all should worship me.

Sorry guy, but magic re-writing peoples memory isnt believable. Good try though.