It just makes sense. After all, now the vampires look even more like monsters, so im suprised people are not trying to kill them.

Also now it is easier to avoid stage-4 hostility if it was added again, since we can now feed on people that arn't sleeping, and vampires can get potions of blood to help as well.

So it would almost be impossible to hit stage-4 on accident.

What do you think? Should stage-4 hostiliy be reimplanted? Or should there never be a good reason to feed anymore?

I personally would not like it to be brought back. I like staying at stage 4, and I most certainly don't want to be attacked everything I enter town. However, I do understand why some people liked it.

Yes it should be brought back. There wasn't a good reason why it was taken out. I mean if you join the vampires, you have practically unlimited sources of feeding. Blood bottles, cattle I mean being well-fed is very easy.

Hell yes! There is no sensible reason for them to have taken it out in the first place. Well I could think of one, but I won't say it.

i didn't like it very much. What if I want to go do a quest as a stage 4 vampire? but if I walk through a town they are all gonna try to kill me

Well, to begin with I'm on PS3 so... yeah.

BUT.. I think with all I've seen it would make sense to return the stage 4 hostility. I've seen the new vampire pics and it appears it would be more appropriate for people to go hostile.

My two cents

Nope, I really just want to be a stage 4 vampire, simply because i like the whole feel of being a really powerful vampire.

Lol I would say you can implement stage 4 hostility only if you give the max stats of a stage 4 vampire at stage one (including negative one's) along with all the powers. I like being at stage 4 vampire because I have all the powers/resistance. I cant get my full power and actually have full practical use of it if everyone and there children become hostile instantly. So yah, you give me the power of my stage 4 vampire at stage one and I will stay well fed and sacrifice the cool look of stage 4 so that you can get attacked by people.

Side note, I think it would be equally appropriate if the stage 4 hostility came back, but if the player is wearing a full helmet it doesn't make all the NPCs hostile (seeing as how a full helm wouldn't let anyone see my face....just saying)

Then they should let you be the Volkihar vampires that feed to get stronger, but you are ugly 24/7 and should get attacked on sight unless you are wearing a hood. Then they should have left stage 4 attacks in for the Cyrodiilic vampires.

Those were the drawbacks for being a vampire. Getting attacked because at stage 4 people KNEW you were a vampire. In Dawnguard its so painfully obvious and would fit better for people to attack you.

Bethesda wouldn't want to make the game too hard for the kids though. Just saying people did nothing but complain about the attacks so now they took it out. If anything they should have made it like Oblivion were people just stop talking to you, and yell to get away. But apparently that is too much as well.

People would just complain that they wouldn't be able to do quests if they did that. I mean if you wanted to stay as a stage 4 vampire you have to accept the consequences to go with it. Currently there is none unless you count the sun penalty which barely effects my level 69 vampire with the amount of health and magicka she has. Or the weakness to fire which has been nerfed.

What is there to complain about, all people would have to do is use a charm spell, and bam they can talk to people. People need to get over it, if they don't want to have the consequences of being a vampire then don't be one. I'm sorry but I had to laugh at your level 69 vampire, everywhere I go I seem to see that number. But I agree the penalties of being a vampire are worthless especially when you can get rid of them with enchanting.

Ironically that is how a lot of people stayed as a stage 4 vampire. You don't have 25% bonus to illusion magic for nothing. And yes the penalties of being a vampire are worthless. Especially when I chose certain perks .

I tried not to stay in 4th stage because I would use a charm spell but someone would always show up out of no where and kill me while talking to a person. But I like that, if you want the power you should have that consequence. What perks are you talking about? Necromage?

I just did the master level fury illusion spell, invisibility and watched the bloodshed. Nope windwalker(light armor side) and Recovery(restoration). I chose them without thinking about them. They work really well. Especially windwalker.

Um... YES.

It makes absolutely no sense to cut it out. If anything, there should be a Stage 4 Illusion spell that lets you appear as a non-vampire.

love that idea ^

I imagine wether it is good or not depends on your style of play.

The classic vamp was more like the Vamps in Vampire the Masquerade, than those which anyone can spot just seeing them.
Then add in that stupid vampires tend to be the first ones killed, as they do not think to conceal their full power.
With actual wizardy in play, detection becomes harder too, as life leech spells can also be attributable to wizards.

On the fun side, classically having "fair" skin meant you were not tanned or sunburned like the serfs (working class of its day) normally were.
Folks would assume such a one to be a noble of some kind.

The chill and terror of Dracula was his indetectability, unless one knew what to look for, and how to take him down.

The stage 4 thing was probably taken out because of the problems with the Vampires you create having to feed to stay living in cities (not to mention your spouse). I am happy with it as is.

My feeding habits were to feed on my spouse and nobody else (I'm very particular about what I eat, and having consent to eat it...). Now my spouse is a vampire and I can no longer feed on him and my only option would be potions which I do not find an acceptable feeding source. Vampires consume life, and I don't think you can bottle life.

I also prescribe to a mechanic based on Vampires being inherently powerful creatures who need to modify themselves (by drinking blood) in order to fit into a human/mer society. In their natural state they are powerful, but alien to ordinary people. After feeding they are less powerful and less obvious, and able to blend in and function on a more human level.

Nope.

Stage 4 hostility is one of the stupidest ideas ever implemented in a game. Much, much worse than Horse Armor DLC.

It's one of those things that I immediately changed when I got the game on PC. Then Dawnguard made it normal and I was happy.

NPCs should only be aggressive if your actions call for that aggression. Stage 4 vampirism, by itself, does not call for such aggression. And the "concept" that you are a blood-starved vampire also means nothing; it would only mean something when you take action and start hurting people. THEN the NPC aggression is called for.

Yes it does, you are vampire, which to all the mortals makes you evil because their view of vampires has been convoluted. If anything the Volkihar should be attacked at every stage, unless they wear a hood or helmet, but they feed to get stronger. The vanilla Skyrim vampires(Cyrodiilic vampires) should have the stage 4 hostility.

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Anyways, given the nature of the Volkihar and their apparent less-than-stellar looks, stage 4 hostility should return. Yet, as by lore, it should not be affected by feeding. It is contradictory to have the vampires in Skyrim, who up until this point has been considered the Volkihar, to be affected by feeding.

The vampires of Cyrodiil could blend in by feeding http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=members&module=messaging§ion=view&do=showConversation&topicID=492847&st=1040#. Other vampires are always hideously or obviously vampires by their glowing eyes and fangs, such as Harkon and Serana. They should use illusion spells to combat stage 4 attacks or where a mask or a hood.

Perhaps, if the Cyrodiilic vampires were in Skyrim, then it would be feeding that would fix the issue. I am partially glad Bethesda removed stage 4 vampirism since the feeding is now a bit different, and it further supports that blending in is a power unique to Cyrodiilic vampires, and NO! The only source for them is NOT only Immortal Blood!

You already get lower health/magic/stamina and basically no regen of any of those in the day without high regen items. Plus weakness to fire. That's not enough of a disadvantage for you?

We discussed this above. But I will say it here. You can balance. and even make them those useless easily with enchantments.