I dont think im the first to say, but heavy armor perks making heavy armor "become" a light armor practicly. If you get all heavy armor perks - you are swift and agile in heavy armor! woopy (not)

If you get all the perks in light armor - Your are armored as in heavy armor! Huzzah! (not)!


That ultimately means that it doesn't matter if you choose focusing in heavy armor or light, you will end up having pretty much the same advantages and disadvantages.

It's only the same if you invest perks in the skill, some people might not want to spend perks in an armor skill. But i get your point and i think heavy armor should always be slower and have more armor rating then light armor.

At the end

Heavy = more defense

Light = more stamina

Robes FTW!

My biggest issue would have to be the stagger effect and the perk to relieve it. It is unfortunate that perk is under heavy armor. Staggers can really slow down an attack, more powerful bows in this game make me think archers might give a chance to stagger us as well.

I was really really hoping for a maybe 5-10 percent movement increase, like in F-NV. The stamina increase is ok, but we really don't have an idea of how stamina works after level 1 yet.

Nope.

At the beginning:
Heavy = more defense

Light = more stamina


At the end:

Both are the same.. (Atleast, MUCH MUCH more similiar then at start)




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Ofcurse you can "not invest points on perks" but that would make you weaker.

Actually I am kind of glad they are lame because I'd rather use my limited perks elsewere.

No, I've seen the whole perk list. Defense bonus and weight reduction are the same for both sides. Heavy gets a reflection bonus and bonus HtH damage. Light Armor gains stamina regen bonus and very small chance to negate melee damage. Heavy WILL have more defense and Light WILL have more stamina.

Maybe you don't, but it seems like unless you put some points into it two power attacks from any weapon is enough to deplete the bar

Right, but we have no idea of how it scales. You are basing what you are saying over footage of a level 1 in a tutorial. It may scale differently on different weapons/armor combos. Spells, or how common the restore stamina attribute affect is available, affect this, and tmk we don't know if the power attack is draining a set amount, or a percentage of our total stamina pool. If that is not set or linear then we can't measure that either.

I've seen people as high as level 9.

I don't think you understand. Heavy armor will raise your endurance. Light armor will raise stamina. There's no perk that changes that.

Well, except that there is no endurance, nor can heavy armor "raise" anything other than the heavy armor skill.
Light armor will "recover" lost stamina faster according to a perk- provided you have that perk.

Well, this is Oblivion all over again.

Light Armour has the same % increases as Heavy (20% ranked, 25% if all light/heavy/matching)..... THEY ARE PERCENT BASED however. Which means since Heavy starts at a higher level, it will always provide more protection, and when both are fully perked out will in fact provide more. Here, watch:

100 v 600 -- a difference of 40, both increased by 100% = 200 v 120, a difference of 80. Oh my. So no, Heavy Armour will always be better than Light and in fact get better the more perks you put in. Also, while HA gets to the point of no longer slowing you down, LA actually allows your to run and fight for longer because of the increased stamina. So there is more to separate them.

You, Sir, have not been thinking it seems.

I'd heard that the three "classes" correspond to endurance, magic, and stamina. With some sort of inference that they raise one of those three stats. But on looking at the wiki, I see no mention of it. So I don't know where I saw that.

Or health, rather.

UESP mentions them, but makes no mention of relation to skills.

Yeah. I'm sure if you would ask Bethesda directly they would say it is for balance so one isnt better than the other.

It's offense vs defense. Heavy Armor will increase your survivability by making you an unstoppable juggernaut. Light Armor will increase your survivability by making you a whirlwind of death.

But they should be different. There should be a trade off of protection for mobility. That's the way it actually works. What they did AGAIN was fix the game so everyone has everything and no one can be any better at anything than anyone else.

No, they're not the same. You still drain your stamina more quickly while sprinting in heavy armor and it still slows your stamina and magic regen a lot more. The maximum passive bonus to light armor is 125% in comparison to heavy armor's 150% (compounded by those matching set perks) and that's on an armor rating that's already a lot lower to begin with.

I'll probably be modding that heavy armor weighs nothing thing to be cut in half but overall they look just fine to me.

I agree that they're different and that the differences are important, but doesn't Light Armor also have a 25% bonus matching set perk?

Alright, I admit I didn't do the math or thought of it alot, just semed to be like that by the look of the perks.

Still, I don't think light armor perks should focus on defense, same about the heavy armor who focuses on agility.

When im im heavy armor - I want to feel HEAVY. Its something called immersion. Same about light armor, I want to feel agile but easy to cut through.

They will both have exactly the same defense bonuses. Heavy Armor has a high base rating, so it will still be quite a bit higher in the end.

I agree with the OP for the most part. They started this trend in Oblivion and it makes the armor classes very similar when you have all the perks unlocked.

Didn't we hear this argument in Oblivion?